[Marsha]
> I found this in RMP's letter to Paul 09/2003:
> "When getting into a definition of the intellectual
> level much
> clarity can be gained by recognizing a parallel with
> the lower
> levels. Just as every biological pattern is also
> inorganic, but not
> all inorganic patterns are biological; and just as
> every social level
> is also biological, although not all biological
> patterns are social;
> so every intellectual pattern is social although not
> all social
> patterns are intellectual. Handshaking, ballroom
> dancing, raising
> one's right hand to take an oath, tipping one's hat
> to the ladies,
> saying "Gesundheit !" after a sneeze-there are
> trillions of social
> customs that have no intellectual component.
> Intellectuality occurs
> when these customs as well as biological and
> inorganic patterns are
> designated with a sign that stands for them and
> these signs are
> manipulated independently of the patterns they stand
> for. "Intellect"
> can then be defined very loosely as the level of
> independently
> manipulable signs. Grammar, logic and mathematics
> can be described as
> the rules of this sign manipulation."
[Marsha continues]
> It sounds like RMP is saying that inorganic
> patterns, biological
> patterns & social patterns are contained within the
> Intellectual
> Level, but are represented as "a sign that stands
> for them".
[SA currently]
This is what I've referred to before as the
intellect can point out a tree, but the tree is not a
thought. If I may continue off of this previous line
of thinking of mine, then to intellectualize about a
tree is the intellects experience about a tree, but a
tree's experience is not what the intellect
experiences about the tree.
I've tried to explain this to Matt K. over a month
ago and he said he would get back to me, but he never
did. I'd like to bring this back up, since this
thread seems to be going this way. I believe what I
wrote above in the previous paragraph points out why
'pure experience' and 'direct experience' is quality
experiencing itself (quality). Thus, since quality is
static patterns and dynamic, each static level can
experience. I find the 'pure' and 'direct' is
pointing out the 'quality experiencing itself
(quality)'. Also since each level, for example, the
intellect can experience (which I refer to as
intellectualizing) quality directly (for all
components/levels are still quality), thus, when
intellect is experiencing quality directly, one can
say intellect at this moment is 'quality experiencing
itself (quality)'. Thus, the journey of
intellectualizing can be a dynamic experience (and
this is how dq is embedded within each
level/component). This is also how intellect directly
experiencing quality can be experience that one might
call enlightening for intellect in this experience
can't be distinguished from quality. The static
patterns 'trailing' each level's/components direct
experience are experiences made static and understood
in more distinguishing/distinct patterns.
Is there a difference between 'pure experience'
and 'experience', in the end as the beginning and in
the middle, not really, but 'pure experience' might be
made distinct from experience as journey is made
distinct from map. The map is an experience, but not
the journey. Yet, the map can be a pure experience, a
journey when one reads the map or the map itself falls
back on itself as a quality experience undistinguished
from any other quality experience when the map is
understood as a component of quality itself.
This understanding of mine goes back to a
discussion with David H. many months ago in which the
code of art was discussed. The code of art seems to
be dq codified as sq, and thus when I concluded dq is
sq for they are originally and thus always quality.
woods,
SA
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