Heather and Marsha In this light I am wondering whether the harsh treatment of Hillary is patently unfair. There are more attempts to villify her on the grounds of her cold calculating ways, impersonal to the point of not being able to connect, and never being able to get a straight answer of her.
In some ways we want her to be as strong as Lilith but in some ways we want her to be as submissive as Eve (in which case she should not be presidential material). Then there is the madness of Lila (and can we have a female version of Dr Strangelove) fingers on the nuclear button that kind of thing. Hillary is smart. She has a man's brain. But she is a woman. Compared to her, some quarters would portray Obama or even Edwards as angels. As far as I am concerned if America does elect a woman president in 2008, it would be a manifest quantum evolution of Quality, (not necessarily in the person of Hillary) but in the ultimate acceptance of a woman as de facto leader of the world. What do you all think ? Khoo Hock Aun On 12/23/07, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Marsha, > > Marsha, I wonder about this depiction of females > of evil, too, and I found two depictions (a more > positive one and a more negative one) of Lila: one > 'western' (more negative) and one Sanskrit/Hindu (more > positive). Have you or anybody else come across this > before? I'll explain what I came across as follows: > > > Here is an interesting trace of a woman named > Lilith or Lila that goes way back to Sumer and > scholars note this mythological story must have even > deeper historical/prehistorical roots. I also find > Goethe wrote about her, the Grecro-Roman mythology, > Arabic mythology, etc... > Two internet sources depict how Lilith or Lila is > understood within the same Indo-European language, > yet, a seeming divergence took place somewhere and > Sanskrit depicts Lila in a more positive light and the > 'western' version has Lila in a more negative light. > Here are the two links as follows: > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lilith > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lila > > > Note, in the links above, Lilith is the 'western' > version. > Lila is the Sanskrit version. Within the Lilith > link above the Etymology of Lilith includes Lila. > > The rest of this post are describes some of what I > read so far, what lead me to search Lilith, and some > thoughts that stirred due to what has become > fascinatingly connective to the book Lila by Pirsig. > I was watching the History Channel on TV about > books of the bible that are not in the bible. On this > show, Lilith was described and the commentators also > mentioned that Lilith means Lila. > The bible has two creation stories in Genesis. > Rabbi's associate the first woman who was created by > G-d with man (as opposed to the second woman who was > created from Adam's rib) was a woman equal to man (see > quote below). This woman created from G-d just as > Adam was created from G-d is named Lilith. Her name > does not show up in the King James Version of the > bible until the book of Isaiah, but Rabbi's associate > Lilith with this first woman created before the second > woman named Eve. Keep in mind, this first woman was > equal and meant equality to Adam, until Adam wanted to > subdue her, she refused this dominating act of Adam, > and then in turn refused the garden of Eden and left. > After leaving the garden, this is when negative > connotations are associated with Lilith/Lila in the > 'western' versions. > So, I looked up Lilith and found a wikpedia > reference to her (see above). She is socially seen as > a prostitute corrupting society, biologically she > seduces young males at night (wet-dreams) and may kill > babies at night, she is also referred to as the night > or the wind, she leads one away from understanding, > and she is seen as a demon, thus, is in the mystical > world, too. This is one quote as follows from > wiki/Lilith: > > "However, what this association does not take > into account are additional descriptions of the > "Seductress" from Qumran that cannot be found > attributed to the "strange woman" of Proverbs; namely, > her horns and her wings: "a multitude of sins is in > her wings." The woman illustrated in Proverbs is > without question a prostitute, or at the very least, > the representation of one, and the sort of individual > with whom that text's community would have been > familiar. The "Seductress" of the Qumran text, > conversely, could not possibly have represented an > existent social threat given the constraints of this > particular ascetic community. Instead, the Qumran text > utilizes the imagery of Proverbs to explicate a much > broader, supernatural threat – the threat of the > demoness Lilith." > > > Notice, Lilith if not on the "community" level or > seen not as a "social threat", she turns up in those > communities as a "supernatural threat". > > > What's also interesting is that this 'western' > approach to Lila/Lilith is in a more negative light, > whereas the kin Indo-European language of these > 'western' versions known as Sanskrit and found in the > Hindu religion applies Lila in a more positive light. > > Here is another quote from wiki/Lilith where > Lilith/Lila is perceived more positively, but also > shows how this more positive light turns seemingly > negative as follows: > > > "After God created Adam, who was alone, He said, > 'It is not good for man to be alone.' He then created > a woman for Adam, from the earth, as He had created > Adam himself, and called her Lilith. Adam and Lilith > immediately began to fight. She said, 'I will not lie > below,' and he said, 'I will not lie beneath you, but > only on top. For you are fit only to be in the bottom > position, while I am to be the superior one.' Lilith > responded, 'We are equal to each other inasmuch as we > were both created from the earth.' But they would not > listen to one another. When Lilith saw this, she > pronounced the Ineffable Name and flew away into the > air." > > > Did anybody comes across this before? I know on > the "Lila" link given above, Pirsig is mentioned as > well as others such as Joseph Campbell, Heinrich > Zimmer, Fritjof Capra, and Alan Watts, to name some. > > > night woods, > SA > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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