Subject: [MD] What is culture in the MOQ?
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Long ago - on 20 December - Ron Kulp (in the "Knowledge as MOQ's
intellect" thread wrote):
> We may only understand the world through culture he brings several
examples of
> But western culture is not the only culture.
Bo:
And the term "culture" has kept me speculating ever since, what is it in
a MOQ context? To start from rock bottom, what we call matter -
including the forces that govern it - are Inorganic (patterns of value)
All
living things are Biological POV and all human communities are Social
POV but are all cultures intellectual POV?
Ron:
It has been posited that culture is what defines human beings. How does
one intellectualize but by the cultural paradigm? Deprive a human being
of
Cultural contact (which would be to deprive them of any human contact)
could they intellectualize? I would conclude that all cultures create
the environment or set the stage for intellection by creating a common
frame of understanding through symbol definitions. It seems to me an
issue of
Complexity, a statement more of what we recognize as intellectual by
Virtue of our own cultural understanding of the term.
Bo:
In LILA Pirsig attributes an immune system to each level (except the
inorganic) The biological is the master-model that has given such their
names , the social consists of the judicial system and its agents that
punishes those who break the law, but he also postulates an
intellectual immune system, namely that of mental institutions that
deem those insane who trespass the cultural norms. He brings
examples of how one culture sees one phenomenon as normal while
another looks upon it as madness.
This stems from his original MIND definition of intellect and because
this is flawed it leads into a wilderness of contradictions. For
instance
there were no agents that watch over normality in the sanity/insanity
sense among old and "primitive" cultures. They had no police either,
but surely various means to keep the members toe the social line, for
example that of ostracizing. Among ancient people there were - um -
cultural anomalies, but these were highly valued divine messengers,
oracles Conclusion "culture" is simply an enlarged social group, not
an intellectual pattern.
Ron:
Quite correct per my understanding, culture is social. It is not an
intellectual pattern per say, but the creator of intellectual patterns,
Or the environment in which intellectual patterns emerge. What really
seems
To define an intellectual culture is it's value of the individual.
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