"gender is a division more insidious than subject/object" - pardon me, but yes, it is true - I don't have a penis.
so what? of course there's a sexual subtext in Lila - he picked her up in a bar and they had sex less than 3 hours later (or something like that). so what? if you have men and women, there's going to be a sexual subtext going on at some level. so what? why is it necessary to even think about rewriting the book with female characters? I just don't see a lot of men out here on this group making some issue out of you being a woman and treating you differently. 'not fluttering your eyelashes enough?' what kind of attention are you looking for? I hate to say it, but from my point of view, you are the only one on this group making so much of an issue about males/females. Men and women both have our good and bad problems and qualities related to our genders. Men and women both are motivated by their sexual urges and it creates problems and joys for all of us. > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:18 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [MD] Taoism > > > > Ron, > > I understand what you are saying, and I agree. > > BUT, I ask my patterned-self if this book was written with the gender > of all the characters reversed, would it still be considered > wisdom? I think not. Not even acceptable science fiction. I > understand the universality of the Tao, but it is not enough to have > yang address yang. I won't be told not to trouble my silly little > head with such trivial matters. I am not talking about mere sexual > discrimination. It's not as personal as you seem to think. My > canvases don't at all care if a woman or a man places paint upon > them. Gender is a division more INSIDIOUS than subject/object. And > I think it was you who suggested that the subtext in LILA was > a sexual one. > > To SA: See, I open up and dare to explore, and what reaction do I > get? Have I forgotten to flutter my eyelashes? > > Marsha > > > > > > At 09:04 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote: > >Marsha, > >I believe the focus should be away from sex and more towards The two > >sides of ourselves. Sex is a metaphor. The power of these > words lies in > >interpreting it With a universal mind. > > > >Te is the working of Tao > >The practice of open awareness > > > >it is suggested by dualism. > >Not the dualism itself. > > > >If you search for something in these words > >You most certainly will find it. > > > >It is my interpretation that the ancients > >Saw the first division as male and female > >Greeks subject/object, Pirsig saw Romantic/classic, > > > >Then Dynamic/static. Much like yin yang. Return to the dynamic. > > > >Metaphors, symbols for concepts or more > >Accurately, an awareness. > > > >If you read those same words in this light perhaps > >They would take on new meaning. > > > >The only discrimination one finds in quality > >Is what one brings to it. > >I think you taught me that some time ago. > > > >-R > > > >"Friends are the ones who sing the song of your heart > >When you forget the words" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: 'Nine Nights with the Taoist Master' by Waysun Liao. > > > >Greetings, > > > >It seems that this book, and philosophy, is written from the man's > >perspective to men. While there is great wisdom, there is no advice > >for women. It is stated: > > > >"It's as if the Yang power must return into the Yin power, > and the Yin > >must become the Yang power." (p.156) > > > >But it seems all the teaching is to help men return to and > regain Yin > >power. > > > >"It is not enough just to connect Te back to Tao. You must also > >practice the power of weakness. This means to condition > yourself to be > >humble, to be empty, to be low, to allow the subtle, invisible, yet > >ever almighty powerful Tao particle to flow into your body, > to charge > >up your entire body as 'Tao body.'" (p. 158) > > > >This does not seem to be advice for women to help them reconnect to > >Yang power. There is something vital missing. > > > >I will continue to read in hopes of finding the other side of this > >wisdom. > > > >Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shoot for the moon. 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