Margaret, There are far too few women's voices in this forum. I'm certainly not going to take issue with yours.
Marsha At 11:21 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote: >"gender is a division more insidious than subject/object" - > >pardon me, but yes, it is true - I don't have a penis. > >so what? > >of course there's a sexual subtext in Lila - he picked her up >in a bar and they had sex less than 3 hours later >(or something like that). > >so what? > >if you have men and women, there's going to be a sexual >subtext going on at some level. > >so what? > > >why is it necessary to even think about rewriting >the book with female characters? > >I just don't see a lot of men out here on this group >making some issue out of you being a woman and treating >you differently. 'not fluttering your eyelashes enough?' >what kind of attention are you looking for? > >I hate to say it, but from my point of view, you are the >only one on this group making so much of an issue >about males/females. > >Men and women both have our good and bad >problems and qualities related to our genders. >Men and women both are motivated by their sexual >urges and it creates problems and joys for all of us. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MarshaV > > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:18 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [MD] Taoism > > > > > > > > Ron, > > > > I understand what you are saying, and I agree. > > > > BUT, I ask my patterned-self if this book was written with the gender > > of all the characters reversed, would it still be considered > > wisdom? I think not. Not even acceptable science fiction. I > > understand the universality of the Tao, but it is not enough to have > > yang address yang. I won't be told not to trouble my silly little > > head with such trivial matters. I am not talking about mere sexual > > discrimination. It's not as personal as you seem to think. My > > canvases don't at all care if a woman or a man places paint upon > > them. Gender is a division more INSIDIOUS than subject/object. And > > I think it was you who suggested that the subtext in LILA was > > a sexual one. > > > > To SA: See, I open up and dare to explore, and what reaction do I > > get? Have I forgotten to flutter my eyelashes? > > > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > At 09:04 AM 1/3/2008, you wrote: > > >Marsha, > > >I believe the focus should be away from sex and more towards The two > > >sides of ourselves. Sex is a metaphor. The power of these > > words lies in > > >interpreting it With a universal mind. > > > > > >Te is the working of Tao > > >The practice of open awareness > > > > > >it is suggested by dualism. > > >Not the dualism itself. > > > > > >If you search for something in these words > > >You most certainly will find it. > > > > > >It is my interpretation that the ancients > > >Saw the first division as male and female > > >Greeks subject/object, Pirsig saw Romantic/classic, > > > > > >Then Dynamic/static. Much like yin yang. Return to the dynamic. > > > > > >Metaphors, symbols for concepts or more > > >Accurately, an awareness. > > > > > >If you read those same words in this light perhaps > > >They would take on new meaning. > > > > > >The only discrimination one finds in quality > > >Is what one brings to it. > > >I think you taught me that some time ago. > > > > > >-R > > > > > >"Friends are the ones who sing the song of your heart > > >When you forget the words" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: 'Nine Nights with the Taoist Master' by Waysun Liao. > > > > > >Greetings, > > > > > >It seems that this book, and philosophy, is written from the man's > > >perspective to men. While there is great wisdom, there is no advice > > >for women. It is stated: > > > > > >"It's as if the Yang power must return into the Yin power, > > and the Yin > > >must become the Yang power." (p.156) > > > > > >But it seems all the teaching is to help men return to and > > regain Yin > > >power. > > > > > >"It is not enough just to connect Te back to Tao. You must also > > >practice the power of weakness. This means to condition > > yourself to be > > >humble, to be empty, to be low, to allow the subtle, invisible, yet > > >ever almighty powerful Tao particle to flow into your body, > > to charge > > >up your entire body as 'Tao body.'" (p. 158) > > > > > >This does not seem to be advice for women to help them reconnect to > > >Yang power. There is something vital missing. > > > > > >I will continue to read in hopes of finding the other side of this > > >wisdom. > > > > > >Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Shoot for the moon. 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