>
> [Marsha]
> > I am not talking about mere sexual
> > discrimination. It's not as personal as you seem
> to
> > think.
>
>
> [SA currently]
> And BAM! BINGO! "It's not as personal as you
> seem to think." As Dwai tried to say to me,
> "something personal between the chipmunk and me".
> It's a bit more than that. I'm glad Dwai mentioned
> "something" which hints at something dynamic for who
> knows what "something" really is. This statement by
> you Marsha exclaims the non-self.
Ron:
How does Marsha's statement exclaim the non-self? Her initial post:
It seems that this book, and philosophy, is written from the man's
perspective to men. While there is great wisdom, there is no advice for
women. It is stated:
"It's as if the Yang power must return into the Yin power, and the Yin
must become the Yang power." (p.156)
But it seems all the teaching is to help men return to and regain Yin
power.
Ron:
I only see her attachment of yin and yang to literal conceptions of
gender.
It has been my understanding that yin and yang are active and passive
Aspects of the whole, much like dynamic and static.
[Marshas post]:
"It is not enough just to connect Te back to Tao. You must also
practice the power of weakness. This means to condition yourself to be
humble, to be empty, to be low, to allow the subtle, invisible, yet ever
almighty powerful Tao particle to flow into your body, to charge up your
entire body as 'Tao body.'" (p. 158)
Ron:
Te is the working of tao . As I understand this aspect, it is not
typically applied as a gender relationship. Again it is about the
passive and active.
Marsha previously:
This does not seem to be advice for women to help them reconnect to Yang
power. There is something vital missing.
Ron:
In this interpretation it would seem so. There is something very vital
missing indeed.
I like this very
> much. This truly is "not as personal", which how I
> see this statement of yours, your removing any
> stereotypes that may come along with your inquiry
> and
> your asking a simple innocent question. Is this
> true?
Ron:
Is what true? The words regarding the tao? When flip flopping from
Yin to yang, yang to yin as long as one holds only one perspective
At a time, These words will not ring true.
>
>
> [Marsha]
> > My canvases don't at all care if a woman or a man
> > places paint upon
> > them.
>
> [SA currently]
> Lovely, simple, innocent canvas - non-self. I
> would say this is what I was referring to Dwai about
> when I mentioned "rounded sandstone pebble". What
> else might a rock be 'thought' to be? Maybe the
> pebble has a say in this!
Ron:
What could a canvas or a pebble say that one would not
Misinterpret or project onto it?
>
>
> [Marsha]
> > To SA: See, I open up and dare to explore, and
> what
> > reaction do I
> > get?
Ron:
This is no-self?
[Marsha]
> > I am not talking about mere sexual
> > discrimination. It's not as personal as you seem
> to
> > think.
Ron:
I think, as I stated before, that as long as one
Projects themselves onto it's meaning all one
Will see is it's reflection.
it has been stated in the past the disdain of
What is perceived as The male dominated world.
Therefore When the words are read that is what
Is perceived.
Is this true?
It is true to the one who perceives it.
Is this the perception of one who is selfless?
Can personal exist in the face of no-self?
Thanks SA,
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