[Arlo]
> You say are working from outside the system to
> change it. I've asked
> you last time to explain to me how "not voting"
> changes anything? We
> already have 50% of the voters not voting? At what
> percentage will
> things change? 20%? 10%? Let's say in the next
> election only 20% of
> the voters actually vote. How will the system
> change?
SA: I told you. Maybe the mainstream culture will
try to find out why. Maybe mainstream culture will
have to reach out and try to change the way things
are. I think gov't is too big. I told you before
that the gov't could watch for enemies on the horizon.
I add, the judical system seems to be fine enough,
so, I'm not including the judical system. Yet, voting
a judge into power? Why would there be choices? The
judge either follows the law of the land or doesn't.
If this answer doesn't satisfy you, which it
doesn't seem to since I'm repeating my answer, then
tell me why I should vote? Why does voting change
anything? Aren't the problems becoming more prevalent
and the people dependent on gov't more than themselves
to change anything.
Arlo:
> What will it take for people to start "talking about
why people
> are not voting"?
SA: I don't know. Good question. I'm bringing it up
here, and from Krimel I get "dumbass" and dmb "apathy"
and from you, at least some discussion which I commend
you. I mean if we can't talk about it here, then how
could we except discussion on the topic to occur
anywhere else?
[Arlo]
> Every election we see story after story about low
> voter turnout. We
> are already talking about it. We just don't care
> enough to do anything about it.
SA: I think your on to something here. This is
probably why Krimel and dmb couldn't bring up anything
to discuss that is thoughtful on the issue. To them
it was vote or your dumb. Talk about apathy, if
people don't care enough to find out why people aren't
voting, then who's really trying to care about the
people. Care to tell somebody to vote into office is
different from care enough for the whole of the people
who run this country.
[Arlo]
> If people actually wanted change, they'd do a hell
> of a lot more than
> not vote. They call for rebellion, or they'd roll up
> their sleeves
> and get involved in the system.
SA: Might I remind you I work with troubled youth.
The future of this country. Might I remind you I see
more anger in a given day than people might see half
their lifetime. What does that add up to in 2 years?
A burned out caring person who sees doom and gloom in
this country, praying, hoping, crying that this
criminal population will stop growing - but it's not!
Here's where the apathy begins and ends. Here's were
people exist that have given up on this country enough
to punch, spit, and try to give their neighbor. I'm
getting my hands dirty. A politican goes into office
and signs a piece of paper, sets policies, and tries
to get somebody else to do something for them. So,
the people get a politician to do their work they
don't want to do, and then the politician turns around
and gets somebody else to do the work, meanwhile the
bill in the pocket book gets larger for this cycle.
Why can't politicians stick with protecting this
country and this society can find the time to slow
down to actually help each other. Yet, society speeds
along, with no time to do the things we need to do, so
we spend money on politicians to do it for us,
meanwhile this culture speeds along faster and
technology is supposed to makes things more
convenient, give more time for us to do what we want
to do. People just fill this time with more 'things'
that cost more money, so more work, and more
conveniences are needed to make more time, etc... How
many parents work? How many children are in day care?
Come-on we don't have time to thoroughly even find
out who these politicans are. Anymore I don't trust
them enough to rely even upon the media. I have a lot
of distrust with this culture, I know. I can't even
trust the media to talk about all the candidates.
This person at work was talking about Ron Paul and how
he's a real revolution and stuff. I haven't heard one
word about him on the radio or TV. This is long
enough, I've got to go.
Arlo:
> Not voting may send a message that
> you are unhappy with the system, but it also sends
> the message that
> you are content to wait for someone else to change
> it.
SA: Believe whatever message you want to. But I'm
unhappy with the system and not the latter.
Arlo:
> And I do agree with Ron, real change, change wrought
> by caring, will
> begin at the grassroots level, in local and state
> politics. And it
> will begin by dropping the inane "government is the
> problem" nonsense
> jabbered by Raygun. Government is only the problem
> to the extent that
> _WE_ are the problem, because our government is "we
> the people".
SA: Yes, "we the people". I'm a real person Arlo.
SA
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