> > Dwai:
> But it is possible to cultivate such direct
> experience. Taoist
> practices, Yoga, Meditation all lead to this direct
> cognition --
> beyond words, beyond interpretation. The trick I
> think is to "Not
> do" (a very interesting theme I find repeating
> across Taoism (Wu
> Wei), Vedanta (Nishkama Karma), Mesoamerican
> shamanism (Not doing)).
> But this Not Doing needs some re-programming of the
> intellectual
> portion of the cognitive faculties...thus the
> training.
> Physical practice to help refocus the attention to
> feeling, sensation
> (we have become very dumb in this aspect).
> Breath helps to rediscover the primal energy
> (Chi/Prana) and augments
> sensation (energetic aspect of things....emotions,
> situations, etc)
> Meditation helps detach the witness from the
> experiencer and thought-
> stream/mind-stream.
> It is questionable whether a Qualitative judgment
> can be made about
> the primacy of the Intellect in this artificial
> system of Quality
> (which is also the figment of someone's intellect
> after all)...
> The intellect is just the functionality of the
> interpreter module in
> our brain -- it will cook up any story to maintain
> the logicality of
> the rules that have been programmed into it (social
> conditioning).
> I hope it was a reasonable response.
> Ron:
> An excellent response, It confirmed much.
SA: Dwai, I noticed you mentioned above as follows:
"It is questionable whether a Qualitative judgment can
be made about the primacy of the Intellect in this
artificial system of Quality (which is also the
figment of someone's intellect after all)...
Dwai, this is true, and I believe the moq is
able to side-step intellect being 'primary'. For one,
it is true this an 'artificial system of Quality'.
Metaphysics in the moq is that which is static quality
and the metaphysics, the intellect and the
patterns/levels described are all analogies/metaphors
of dynamic quality. By "artificial" I believe you
might also mean metaphor or analogy. This is taken
from ZMM Chapter 30 and I percieve what I was saying
as what is said here as follows:
"The One in India has got to be the same as the
One in Greece. If it's not, you've got two. The only
disagreements among the monists concern the attributes
of the One, not the One itself. Since the One is the
source of all things and includes all things in it, it
cannot be defined in terms of those things, since no
matter what thing you use to define it, the thing will
always describe something less than the One itself.
The One can only be described allegorically, through
the use of analogy, of figures of imagination and
speech."
Thus, static quality is the analogy of dynamic
quality. As for the primacy of intellect in the moq,
that is true for static patterns, but dynamic quality
is more primary than static quality (thus, more
primary than intellect) as these quotes in Lila
chapter 13 shows as follows:
"In general, given a choice of two courses to
follow and all other things being equal, that choice
which is more Dynamic, that is, at a higher level of
evolution, is more moral."
[Also]
"First, there were moral codes that established
the supremacy of biological life over inanimate
nature. Second, there were moral codes that
established the supremacy of the social order over
biological life - conventional morals - proscriptions
against drugs, murder, adultery, theft and the like.
Third, there were moral codes that established the
supremacy of the intellectual order over the social
order - democracy, trial by jury, freedom of speech,
freedom of the press. Finally there's a fourth Dynamic
morality which isn't a code. He supposed you could
call it a 'code of Art' or something like that..."
SA continues: Notice here, the dynamic morality
(dq) is more moral than intellect. Didn't know if
this is what you meant?
SA
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