Comments below:
> Caryl said:
> > "the only pragmatist element I see..."
> Ron said:
> As Caryl Johnston states, "The problem Pirsig had
> was there was no rationalist framework in which his
> magisterial tool could make sense and unfold"...
> dmb says:
> I should ask Caryl rather than you, but I'd like to
> know what "the problem" is, exactly.
SA: I think, dmb, it seems a certain push for
complicating 'things' happens at times. This seems to
happen when one wants to force ones thought to be
reality, thus, the constant craving. For ones thought
isn't reality, but if one believes thought can be
reality, then this desire will not be satisfied, in
other words, the constant craving. I agree with you
dmb. I don't see the problem.
dmb:
> Maybe I'll ask Caryl about that her "rationalist
framework", but I
> suspect its a fake problem.
SA: Yes, it seems to be a fake problem, and it would
be interesting to see what Caryl is saying. Here's
another quote from Caryl as follows:
Caryl says:
"In America intellect is always proving itself, and
because it always has to fight so many demons, real
and imagined, it never really has had to renovate
itself, challenge itself by going into the roots of
thought. The resulting intellectual stagnation leads
to a kind of deviousness in our political life."
SA continues: If we're going to pull Caryl's quotes,
then here's one that discusses the lack of creativity
in America's intellect ("never really has had to
renovate itself"). Sure, this is a general statement,
but isn't thinking in exclusive terms of s/o, a lack
of creativity? I mean, it's a stagnation, as Caryle
states, correct? When the intellect is s/o in
perspective, then how is the world thought of? Easy,
correct? As an s/o reality. The s/o intellect,
intellectualizes everything into s/o. So, where's the
quality? I'm sure it's present, and this is due to an
understanding of quality in intellect that is not
exclusively s/o. Quality isn't only about s/o,
therefore a quality intellect (a non-SOM intellectual
pattern) notices something else other than just s/o.
Does the s/o intellect realize this? No, how could
it, for the s/o intellect can only think of s/o, and
therefore reality is comprised of s/o only in an s/o
intellect?
As for s/o being the historical foundation and
such, sure it is, but again, an exclusive s/o
intellect is one that doesn't realize that it really
has been a process of valuing. Pirsig is letting
history know that it has been a process of valuing all
along.
woods,
SA
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