Bo,
IMHO, you're trying to capture the River in a bucket. And what you
bring back is a bucket full of river water.
Marsha
At 04:53 AM 1/20/2008, you wrote:
>Ron.
>
>18 January you wrote:
>
> > I'm hanging out of the discussion to work up a proper response. I
> > think the original Greek first division of their system, the logical
> > classification upon which every bit of their logic rests on, is the
> > division of subject and object. It is a convenient abstract starting
> > point, like zero and whole numbers.
>
>Right, ZAMM presents the emergence of the intellectual level (as
>SOM) so splendidly that it hardly need any refinement. It wasn't a
>"division of subject and object" at first, rather the emergence of
>TRUTH (that truth is "objective" is correct) that seen from those
>days struggled to rise above "mere opinion" (that opinion is
>"subjective" is also correct).
>
> > I know personally that other cultures have intellect and
> > philosophize
>
>Your experience is (I guess) limited to the Western world and it
>has the intellectual level as top notch (the social level is beneath
>it, but that's another point) besides your "have intellect" smacks
>of "are intelligent" as does "philosophize" smack of "think". These
>things has nothing to do with the 4th. level.
>
> > Yet still view themselves as part of the creator with brothers and
> > sisters Who are also part of the creator. This is how they saw
> > things. "Primitive" cultures chart stars and work a mathematics
> > without ever conceiving them selves separate from the universe
> > around them. Doubtless SOM has been the most successful and
> > pragmatically taken as truth on this merit alone.
>
>Excellent observations, however "mathematics" smacks of
>"mathematicians", but they hardly worked out theorems and
>proofs, they merely knew how to calculate. I.e: were as
>INTELLIGENT as such comes. It's the intelligence-intellect
>confusion that creates all nonsense around the MOQ
>
> > If I am soft on this issue it's only because of a practical
> > skepticism Based on the knowledge that humans anthropomorphize.
>
>Right, it was the tendency to anthropomorphize. that SOM tried to
>escape from. The - then - modern Greeks saw that the old
>mythological gods were human creations ("subjective"). This
>anthropomorphizing tendency will never be completely overcome
>- what in the MOQ is translated to intellect being "out of" society.
>
> > I find it contradictory for Bo to defend the idea of SOM as absolute
> > intellect Theory then admonish us As SOM-ish for suggesting other
> > forms of existing intellect(like Moq) Marxist collective ideology,
> > Confucianism, Vedic, ect.
>
>You too my son ;-) The MOQ isn't SOM consequently not an
>intellectual pattern, how can the totality of the MOQ fit inside one
>of its own sub-subsets? Well I know only too well, its because
>most people regard the MOQ to be a mere "thought" system and
>as such not occupying any "space" - it's SUBJECTIVE!!!! See
>how mired they are in SOM.
>
> > I do however feel that from a practical standpoint, assuming SOM as
> > intellect As per our culture, has Pragmatic merit. It directly
> > applies MoQ to the situation in a terms of an applicable
> > understanding.
>
>Good! "Beggars can't be choosers" (me the beggar :-)
>
> > Platt uses it to judge social situations, Dan uses it to fix
> > motorcycles But as soon as you take it for an absolute understanding
> > you close the Door on dynamic quality and it becomes another SOM
> > type intellect And Bo must be careful of this.
>
>Thanks Ron, this saved the day. I had written you off, but this
>shows a deep insight.
>
>Bo
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