Hi gav, >DMB: >....The MOQ has more than a few >> things to say on that topic. But that's not relevant >> to the issue of faith, which is a belief held >> outside of intellectual standards in general.
>gav: >i disagree. faith is a knowledge complementary and >ultimately inclusive of intellectual truth. the >faith/science schism is only apparent because >arguments on both sides are usually naive and >inaccurate. Steve: Religions' claims that are to be accepted on faith are not only in conflict with the claims made by science. They are in conflict with the claims made by other religions. If Christianity is true, Islam is false and vice versa. They can't all be true because they all say that the others are false, but they can all be false. gav: >faith is a knowledge born of transcendent experience. >the intellect can only reflect upon this experience. >the experience itself, the nature of the experience is >the empirical 'data'. Steve: What particular knowledge are you referring to? the resurrection of Christ? the virginity of Mary? Muhammed being taken to Heaven on a winged horse? gav: >...better to treat the sacred as sacred. Steve: What things are sacred? gav: >you can't kick faith out of an essentially mystical metaphysics. Steve: The mystic doesn't say, "accept what I am saying on faith." She says, "see for yourself." Regards, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
