Spirit. 24 Jan. you wrote
after I had written:: > > Renè Descartes had the revelation (after a long period of doubt) that he > > existed because a he was a thinking being. SA: > After watching some Lewis Black youtubes, I came back to this forum and > read this. So, maybe it's how my mind is framed at the moment, but I'm > sure glad Rene had this revelation that he existed. Must of been > ground-shocking, and the heavens opened up and Rene looks around and > says - 'Oh! I think and thus I exist!' Well, I'm glad after many a > long period of doubt Rene figured out he does exist. Bo, this doesn't > have much to do with you, I just found this funny. I find this extremely shallow. What do you know about RD's speculation about existence's ground that ended in deep fear? You are of course lucky not to have had any experience like that, we may envy simpletons for not having the complexity of mind to suffer, but when they laugh at it. ... > I know the whole Rene speall on how he said "I think, therefore I am". > I find this to be laughable as to the extent that somebody will go. I > wonder if Rene walked around the streets wondering, mumbling to himself > with foam coming out of his mouth, 'Oh, my, do I, yes, I must be here, > yes, I exist, no, I can't be existing, no this is just a dream, it > must'ant be true, I exist, blablabalba, haha, oh, I do, don't I?' it just shows their ignorance. Do you laugh as much to Phaedrus of ZAMM doubting the reality of SOM unto breakdown? In the next post you wrote: [Bo] > > No, intellect does not merely reflect (this is intellect's own pompous > > view) Intellect is a a value level that creates its own reality and its > > own TEs. See Pirsig's revelation resulted in an intellectual-based > > insight so extraordinarily "transcendent" that it could not be contained > > by intellect. We will soon start having Quality-based TEs. ;-) SA: > This is where you seem to be stuck. Your still basing the moq on > intellect alone, "Pirsig's revelation... intellectual-based > insight...", and "...Intellect... creates its own reality...". Quality > is not intellectually based. Quality is before intellect. Quality is > before any static levels. Quality splits and then the static levels, > then intellect realizes quality, but primary reality is not only of > intellect. Quality is also social, biological, inorganic, and dynamic. Since day one (almost) I have claimed that the Quality Idea isn't an intellectual pattern, and the nonsense about a Quality before the MOQ you can take elsewhere. P. of ZAMM shows with unfaltering logic that the Newtonian explanation of why things fall came to be with Newton. This inevitable leads to the correct conclusion that the Quality explanation of existence came to be with the MOQ. Inside it all levels are Quality levels, thats self- evident. If you manage to follow any logical argument? Bo Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
