Hi Arlo Sounds OK to me, but in MOQ terms we might phrase it that the individual is a 4th level source of DQ and carries the special value and possibilities of change, to all the present and formative structures across all levels, that this inplies. Bhaskar seems to get this despite his very different terminology.
David M ----- Original Message ----- From: "ARLO J BENSINGER JR" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [MD] for Ham, Arlo interjects > [DM] > I think most of the sociology profession would be with Arlo on this. > Certainly > Roy Bhaskar and Margaret Archer and Tony Giddens. > > [Arlo] > The notion of "structuration", or some form of this dialectic, is also > found in > the thoughts of Bourdieu and Bakhtin. > > Bourdieu, as the article Ron posted said, viewed the dialectic in terms of > an > individual agent always situated within a "habitus" who moves towards the > attainment of "symbolic capital". > > "In Bourdieu's work, habitus can be defined as a system of durable and > transposable[3] "dispositions” (lasting, acquired schemes of perception, > thought and action). The individual agent develops these dispositions in > response to the determining structures (such as class, family, and > education) > and external conditions (field)s they encounter. They are therefore > neither > wholly voluntary nor wholly involuntary." > > Bahktin, in following a Vygotskian path, was more concerned with the > internalization of this. Rather than be concerned with an "agent" in a > "field", > Bakhtin looked at how the "field" became internalized within the "agent". > The > agent's voice, then, is never a solo but always a duet (or a 'polyet'). > > But in all these cases, and I include Pirsig since his MOQ demonstrates > straight out that "intellectual patterns derive from the social world" not > from > individual autonomous agents apart from social activity, the interplay is > always that the "self" is both social and autonomous at the same time, it > comes > from both the assimilation of the collective consciousness and the unique > experiences of the organism. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
