> Steve:
> In the MOQ intellect is a type of pattern of value and the MOQ itself
> is an intellectual pattern. There is no such thing as an MOQ pattern.
> In other words, I don't know what you are getting at.
"intellectual pattern" is something that the MOQ invents. The intellectual
pattern exists in the MOQ only, and it does NOT mean thinking - you ALL know
this! So, continuing:
The tendency to extend the intellectual
level far more then necessary I think is a residue of SOM thinking. When
people start to think about their thoughts as separate from the world they
are living in, making an effective S/O division that's really when the
Intellectual level starts to grow, you all know me to hold this position.
Furthermore, this special way of perceiving the world/everything then puts
everything within frames of it's own - the SOM, and "thinking" is then
forever associated with this - indeed this is what "thinking" MEANS to all
intents and purposes. Furthermore, when this view takes hold, it is
naturally so that it says that "thinking" has always been around, logical
thinking, illogical thinking - it doesn't matter, it's Thinking all the
same. Since this is a fundamental way of perceiving the world this becomes
the most basic and natural way of things, Thinking is fundamental, and makes
up the world.
When the MOQ comes along and says that there really is no such thing as
thinking, it does so within this frame of referances which has become
fundamental, and impossible to escape - the languages we use is formed by
this notion (even the word notion). So, when Bodvar (and now I) say that the
intellectual level is only the Subject/Object division, this poses a
problem.
"But people has always been thinking!" you say, and "what about animals,
aren't they thinking?" - "the people of ancient Mesopotamia, weren't they
thinking?" Yes, they were, and, yes, they are, if you use "thinking" the way
it has been used now for about 2000 years. But not in a MOQ sense. In our
reality there is no such thing as thinking, there is only Quality, and the
way it's manifested. In affect, the people of Mesopotamia and the people of
present day Sweden are both "Thinking" from a S/O point of view, that is,
they are/were using their brains in complex ways to interpret things around
them - BUT when we look at it from a MOQ perspective, all they where really
doing, and is doing is responding to Quality. The MOQ says that this has
been done in different ways - that's the Levels folks - but it is all
Quality in our book.
For the last 2000 years there has been the notion that thinking has always
been around, and it just differed a bit, then the MOQ comes along and says -
no, not really. But that thing, that notion of thinking always being around
in different ways makes up a world view that is so different from any other
things that has been around and will be around I'll wager, that it
constitutes a Level in the MOQ book.
So, when I see people anxiously wanting to extend the intellectual level
further and further I think it is just residues of the grip that this S/O
world view still has on us all.
If we recognize this It becomes much easier for us to continue our work of
establishing this new view of things (where there is no things)
IMO
Chris
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