Who's on first again? - I don't know, third base...
wooooooo.

This is a good discussion, and Arlo and Krimel are
bringing up excellent points, I couldn't resist
throwing in a little Abbott and Costello though with
all this first, second, and third talk.  

SA

P.S.  Here's some funny 'who's on first' routines:

     Star Wars:
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVjrwyYGu2Q

     Two martial artists fighting out the who's on
first:
    
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqvyKmiVrVI&feature=related


anyways...




> [Platt]
> Thanks for backing up Pirsig (and me): "A tribe can
> change its values only
> person by person and someone has to be first." X is
> first, then Y, Z, P, Q 
> and X+n -- each individual person by person. But
> without the primacy of 
> inventor X, the rest could never follow.

> [Krimel]
> But without 'n' X goes unnoticed. Are you just not
> paying attention here?
> Why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that
> individuals are important but
> in the context of the group? What meaning does
> 'first' have outside of its
> social context?  
> 
> 
> 
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