On Friday 28 March 2008 8:34 AM Dan writes to Chris: [Chris] <snip> [Dan] The electrical impulses in the brain are like the novel on the computer disk. No matter what scientific instruments we use to measure the impulses, we will never find a thought or an idea. We will never discover the beauty of a sunset residing in those electrical impulses. I think the MOQ would say people define ideas and thoughts according to culture. Ideas and thoughts do not arise from biology (elecctrical impulses in the brain). Thoughts (intellectual patterns of value) arise from social patterns of value. > > Well, back to work. If you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life. If you don't love what you're doing then why are you doing it? Hi Dan and all, [Joe] The eyeglasses that culture hands us are ³mechanical². Is ³mechanical² a useful term for discussing cultural behavior? The nation is composed of individuals. Are there mechanical nations, mechanical wars, mechanical societies, mechanical individuals? How widespread? [Joe] I want to add the other quote about CULTURE: ³The CULTURE in which we live, hands us a set of intellectual glasses to interpret experience with, and the concept of the primacy of subjects and objects is built right into these glasses.² [Joe] I may be overstressing how culture is mechanical, but we are steeped in culture and our thought may be mechanical. Is DQ conscious and SQ mechanical? [Joe previously 18 March to David M] IMO ³actions become unconscious². As I read that I think mechanical. The MECHANICAL takes the place of the CONSCIOUS! What happens to the manifestation of what can only be the CONSCIOUS? Your example says a MECHANICAL sign. I don¹t think so. The MECHANICAL sign triggers a MECHANICAL action in the memory of a CONSCIOUS action, sleepwalking! I do not want to categorize DQ as conscious, and SQ as mechanical without a big deal in the metaphysics of evolution! Sleepwalking! [Joe] Am I asleep to 99.99% of my actions derived from culture? Is this what Persig is saying about culture? Does DQ/SQ wake me up or do I have to further delineate a Conscious/Mechanical metaphysics for culture? Does AI stand head and shoulders above CI conscious intelligence? Am I even capable of approaching CI? Joe
On 3/28/08 8:34 AM, "Dan Glover" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hello everyone > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [email protected] >> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:50:53 +0100 >> Subject: [MD] A World of Objects >> >> Hello Everybody. I'm not going to be super-active here for a while because >> I'm >> writing some history papers etc, but I did amuse myself a while ago by >> asking around a bit on a internet forum with a philosophy section about how >> people defined ideas and thoughts. About the only answers I got was >> "electrical impulses in the brain" - meaning basically that they don't think >> there is anything but objects. I was just wondering, how would any of you >> answer to this. > > [Dan] > The electrical impulses in the brain are like the novel on the computer disk. > No matter what scientific instruments we use to measure the impulses, we will > never find a thought or an idea. We will never discover the beauty of a sunset > residing in those electrical impulses. > > I think the MOQ would say people define ideas and thoughts according to > culture. Ideas and thoughts do not arise from biology (elecctrical impulses in > the brain). Thoughts (intellectual patterns of value) arise from social > patterns of value. > >> >> Well, back to work. > > If you love what you do you'll never work a day in your life. If you don't > love what > you're doing then why are you doing it? > >> >> Regards >> >> Chris > > And to you, > > Dan > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Test your Star IQ > http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
