[Ham] For me the individual is central to existence. It is the individual's values that define the experienced world, that determine the course of history, and that ultimately relate human beingness to its primary source. I view the universe as an anthropocentric system, with man as its choicemaker.
[Krimel] Of course each of us is the center of our own existence. But none of us makes choices for the rest of the universe. It does not bend to our whims. We bend to its. We make seek to influence others but do so only to the extent that they allow themselves to be influenced. The movers and shakers of history are so, not because they could move and shake but because others were moved and allow themselves to be shaken. It takes a village to Tango. We, each of us, may regard ourselves as standing at the geographic center of infinity. But this says more about us than the geography of the cosmos. [Ham] In an age where objective reality is everything and technology drives "progress", people hunger for answers to the meaning of life and its ultimate purpose. [Krimel] If they are hungry for answers it is because technology filled their bellies. [Ham] No longer does man rely on the spiritual beliefs of his ancestors to support his existence. Religion and spirituality have been preempted by more "enlightened" concepts. [Krimel] Exactly, the spiritual beliefs of the past are to the scientific beliefs of the present as the stone hoe is to the tractor, as the camp fire is to the microwave, as the mud hovel is to the skyscraper, as the fairy tale is to the equation. [Ham] Unless man has a central role in existential reality, he may as well be a biological offshoot of the primates, programmed by nature to 'tread in his petty pace' 'til death consumes him. [Krimel] Once again you are almost correct. We exist. We can either define for ourselves some essential meaning for our lives or march the treadmill until the power goes off. Looking for 'cosmic purpose' is just waiting for Godot. It is a shirking of our duty to ourselves and our loved ones. It is not to be handed to us. It is to be created by us. [Ham] Until we realize that cognizant awareness is central to existential reality, and that there would be no universe in its absence, we are doomed to fulfilling Nietzsche's prophecy of a world without meaning, a life without soul. The MoQ's substitution of a Quality hierarchy for subject/object reality is not the solution we need. [Krimel] My reality depends on my awareness but existential reality doesn't give a hoot. We are doomed to a purposeless existence if we fail to create a purpose; if our society fails to instill in us a sense of common purpose; if we insist that our purpose is in tension with the purposes of those around us; if we sit around waiting for the cosmos to whisper its purpose in our ears. We are beings in the process of creating purpose and intent in the world. It emerges from us and through us. That is what sets the equation apart from the fairy tale. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
