[Arlo previously] As I see it, "chance" stands in contrast to "pre-ordained"
[Craig] This doesn't seem the right contrast. [Arlo] Would you accept "unintended"? There are certainly things that occur because of our intentional volition, but there are also things that occur as unintentional consequences not only within the "human sphere" but throughout the cosmos. This is my point here, that there is no "intentional plan" being enacted by Platt's Quali-god. I back my car out of a parking space as someone else comes by and plows into it (hypothetical, didn't happen). We (the drivers) are both acting with intent. But the collision was unintended. Its not like yesterday we were thinking, "I am going to create a car accident tomorrow". And Quality is not a volitional and intentional God for whom our collision was part of His Great Plan. Yes, there are "reasons" the accident occurred, after the fact we can look back and see how our actions paved the way for the accident. But had I stopped to tie my shoe on the way to the parking deck, maybe this accident would not have occurred. Had a thousand or more other little things happened differently, maybe no accident. It was not until perhaps a brief second before the accident that the accident became "inevitable", or more precisely "highly probable". Without "chance" there is no freedom. It suggests necessary uncertainty from among all probabilities. It suggest there is no "plan". And thank "God" for that. [Krimel] Excellent example, Arlo! It illustrates that while we are accustomed to thinking of chains of probability what we experience is a nest of interwoven chains. Each chain follows its own particular logic but when they interact what matters is the SQ and DQ they introduce into the interactions. Every link in every chain of causality might be found to interact with every other link in every other chain. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
