Krim: It allows an purely naturalistic universe in which things evolve slowly from the bottom up. DM: Does anyone here disagree? [Krimel] I suspect some do but do they? Anyone? Anyone? [Joe] IMO To discuss the undefined, seems difficult with no reference point. DQ has no agency. It is a description of a limited order in existence analogous to the octave found in music. It is meaningful in an evolutionary order in existence for manifest SQ. How is it found in awareness? I assume it is in the ³undefined² aspect of my consciousness, the social order in evolution. I acknowledge an order in existence! I call this order evolution pointed to by metaphor or analogy. My knowledge of evolution is from the top down. My experience of evolution is from the bottom up. DQ is an undefined word for this order. Chance is unlimited manifestation. It includes an order in existence without analogy to the order itself. DQ is a more limited metaphor of order in existence.
[Krimel] My take on the general point here was that the universe and complexity in the universe evolves from the bottom up. But I also increasingly see Pirsig's levels as meaningful in terms of time scales of evolution so your points here do have some resonance. I wonder though, at least from my own perspective if it isn't advancing years that gives the personal knowledge from the top down. After all from where I stand it is all down hill from here. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
