>> Krim: It allows an purely naturalistic universe in which things
>> evolve slowly from the bottom up.
>>
>> DM: Does anyone here disagree?
>>
>> [Krimel]
>> I suspect some do but do they? Anyone? Anyone?
>
> [Marsha]
> I do not like the top-down or bottom-up model.  I like the Net Of Jewels
> Model:  The universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is 
> only the reflection of all the others in a fantastic interrelated harmony 
> without end.
>
> [Krimel]
> Could just be me but this makes not a bit of sense. I can't for the life 
> of me see the middle way between top down and bottom up leading anywhere.

Marsha
I haven't taken the net of jewels model to represent the middle way.  It's 
how I see it, 'interconnected reflections', or interconnected, overlapping 
patterns.  I have never been terribly comfortable with a hierarchical 
structure because it forbids the possibility of overlapping categories. 
Though, it is favored in the sciences, isn't it?  And very patriarchal. 
Besides, where is it you want to be lead?  Who's on top?  How utterly 
boring?

[Krimel]
As long as I can pitcher rather than catch I don't care what position I
play. But it is still hard for me to see how a metaphor about the
decorations surrounding a Hindu god's palace explains the origin and
evolution of the universe. Neither does it seem a good way to sidestep
patriarchy. Indra's a god dude after all and isn't Hinduism the home of the
caste system? How hierarchical is that?








 

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