Quoting Arlo Bensinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > My cat is subject to the law of the jungle as it applies to cats and > is thus constricted by that law. > > [Arlo] > Does this mean that your cat is governed by strictly determinstic > laws? Again, is everything in the cosmos apart from "man" so > governed? Is only "man" exempt from determinism?
If you call the law of the jungle as it applies to cats determistic, then yes and yes. > [Platt] > Man, however, through society and intellect, has overcome that static > law and is thus free to respond to DQ. > > [Arlo] > Since only "man" responds to DQ, I take it your position is that > everything else, from atoms to dolphins to asteroids to cats, is > completely ruled by deterministic law. Your cat is no more "free" > than an asteroid, is that right? And if it is, where does that > "freedom" arise from, since according to the Pirsig quote you rely > on, "only to the extent that one follows Dynamic Quality" is one > "free" from determinism? Atoms and asteroids follow the laws of physics as they apply to each. Similarly, dolphins and cats follow the law of the jungle as it applies to each. Freedom arose from the beginning and has passed from physics, to biology to social to intellectual by evolution towards betterness, leaving in its wake static patterns of value. Do you think a pair of dice responds to DQ? ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
