Hi Krimel,

I think this thread has gone past meaning for me, but thank you for trying.

Marsha


----- Original Message ----- From: "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Chance


[Marsha]
I've been wondering about the question behind this thread.  Is there some
proof, hope, or 'chance' that life is predictable?   In a laboratory or in
daily living?

Krimel, what is it that DMB is not getting?  You seem to be proposing a
theory, but I'm not sure that you've stated it clearly.

[Krimel]
In this particular instance dmb was falling victim to the illusion that
because we remember, have records and live with the consequences of a
particular flow of events that that particular flow is fixed and certain. He appears at least to be supporting the kind of view that Ham espouses when he claims that the universe from some godlike perceptive is a fait accompli. I
am saying that first of all time is not reversible but if it were it would
not rewind like a movie. To get to the past you would have to pass through
the same sort of indeterminacies that we pass through moving forward in time
and that as a result we could not return to any point in time that we have
been in previously. Not only that I am saying that our knowledge of the past is insufficient to make certain judgments about why things happened the way
they did. History is the mixture of educated guesses. The farther back in
time we try to look the harder it is to make accurate guesses as to what
shaped events of the past.

I mentioned the Kennedy assassination but recently I asserted that one of
the chief motivations of Plato and other early Greek thinkers was to
incorporate the stunning achievements of the Greek mathematicians into the
lives of ordinary Athenians. Matt then advanced the notion that Plato was
driven by bitterness and personal grief over the treatment of his mentor at
the hands of Athenian authorities. Who can say which is which? Does either
theory account for the facts or just express our respective personal
prejudice?

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