Hi Squonk,? ? Well, there's that word: exist. Unassuming little bugger, isn't it? At the moment I'm of the mind that no-thing inherently exists. Relationally and ever-changingly exist? Yes. But definitely not as a thing onto itself. What does that mean? To me it means that I exist as a flow of value events and whatever I encounter exists of a flow of value events. Water into water. ? What do you mean by 'exist'?
Hi Marsha, The water metaphor reminds me of my 'event stream' from The edge of Chaos. By exist i mean 'a stable event.' The stream metaphor would have mean that events occur in the stream of DQ, and stable swirls are sq. Does this answer your question? If we agree then you must understand that i have it on the authority of Anthony McWatt that?we are no longer using terminology used by the Metaphysics of Quality. This is fine by me, because i don't feel i have to Parrot?what ever Pirsig?states in his metaphysics. It's not that i think the moq is rubbish, it's just that i can't help thinking for myself, and can't be discouraged from doing so. It seems that as evolution progresses the swirls become less inherently existant. Have you ever noticed that Marsha? Think about it. ? >? > Marsha:? > Aren't static patterns still process within the field of DQ?? >? > s: This sounds good to me.? > I argued for this in Liverpool 2005, but it got?edited out of the dvd > > apparently, so i can't ask you to consider it. I don't know if this is > true > because i've not seen it, maybe you could confirm it for me please > Marsha?? ? That was then, this is now. s: Was this presentation edited out of the dvd Marsha? Please tell me if you would be so kind. ? > If static patterns are processes within the field of DQ, then it would > > appear some processes are more dynamic than others,?and not simply those > > separated by?the 4 levels of evolutionary development.?I don't have a > > problem with this. I think it could lead to some cool things.? ? There is another interesting word: appears. There is that little Buddhist story about a rope that is mistaken for a snake.? ? What do you mean by 'appears'?? s:?By appears i mean: argued for by Robert M Pirsig in his book Lila. ? >? > TE1 suggests that the blank slate human brain is an exceptionally dynamic > > process. I understand TE1?may have?disturbed you Marsha, but it's been > most > helpful for me in ways i did not anticipate, so it was well worth it > as far > as i'm concerned, because of the points you. and others, have?made.? ? Your TE1 didn't disturb me in the least. If it had/has value for you, work it out. I must confess that I've been in some pretty strange experiences trying pursue whatever it is that is calling to me. Kind of like Devil's Tower in the film "Close Encounters of the Third Kind". Or maybe I'm being too dramatic.? ? My questions are just trying to see better from your point-of-view.? ? s: Great! squonk Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
