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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] moq thought experiement 1.
Marsha:?
I always have on the top of my mind Quality(Dynamic Quality/static
quality). That I find approaching and comparing it to a Buddhist
point-of-view (however limited that may be) should not be held against me.
And I, too, need first-hand experience. I would make such a difficult
student.
Hi Marsha,
I don't know who is holding this against you, but it would?need looking
into.
The first thing i would?ask someone who is doing that to you would be,
'Which Buddhist tradition do you think Marsha is?mistakenly comparing the
moq to'?
Greetings Squonk,
You wrote: "If we agree then you must understand that i have it on the
authority of Anthony McWatt that?we are no longer using terminology used by
the Metaphysics of Quality." Maybe you can explain what you meant by
including this sentence. I image you had a reason. It is true that I do
chatter on about emptiness, a Buddhist concept, which is not a MOQ term.
Marsha:?
I agree with you about independent thinking, but I think the MOQ is a
beautiful metaphysics. It's elegant in its simplicity. Any confusion is
mind's arrogant ability to over-complicate.
s:?The basic idea has existed for thousands of years so it looks
like?elegance and simplicity?goes a long way.
Which basic idea? Quality? Dynamic Quality&static quality? Or what?
Marsha:?
Something inherently exists, or it doesn't. No more or less is possible.
s:?It seems the moq says Quality inherently exists, even though this is
one among a large number of names for something that can not be grasped.
Maybe Quality doesn't exist either?
Maybe yes/no logic is a bit Aristotelian, who, after all, is an asshole as
you know.
Where does RMP state that Quality inherently exists? I cannot remember
RMP ever stating or insinuating that Quality inherently exists.
"Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable in the sense that there
is a knower and a known, but a metaphysics can be none of these things. A
metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any
metaphysics. Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of dialectical
definition and since Quality is essentially outside definition, this means
that a 'Metaphysics of Quality' is essentially a contradiction in terms, a
logical absurdity." (LILA, Chapter 5)
?
Marsha:?
Come on... Maybe you were not edited INTO the dvd. That would be an
artistic decision to be made by the creator. Tough luck kiddo!
s: Yes! That must be it. How arrogant of me. I apologise Marsha. I feel
truly awful.
I could not have expected anything else, especially when i contemplate the
shear astounding Quality of the Mati Palm-Leis presentation.?It is?almost
as good as 'Quality in the?new Millennium', which, as you know,?Robert
Pirsig, and his good wife, and Anthony, and David, and Paul Turner, and,
well,?so many others felt?to be so very excellent. And then some. So very
excellent and then some in fact that they asked for a copy to treasure for
themselves.
I've read?the Mati Palm-Leis paper 100 times and i still?experience?a
spine tingling thrill of delight with each new perusal. I almost fear
for?what may happen?if i read it just one more time. To even think about
it burns my ruddy cheeks with?indignation and shame.
I am sorry you are unhappy.
Marsha:?
References please, and I would expect more than just the usage of the word
in a sentence. Besides I asked for your understanding.>
s: Oh. References now is it?
For one who proclaims to know nothing, you want to know allot don't you?
Well, if you've been reading this thread the relevant section of Lila has
already been provided.
And by the way, let's have a few references from you from now on if that's
the way it's going to be.
Fair play and all that.
I've been looking and cannot find a quote where RMP discusses appearances.
Maybe you can help me by noting the date and time of your post. If I'm
quoting someone, I try to supply a reference. I have forgotten
occasionally. Keep me honest. But I also asked for your understanding
which may or may not be exactly the same as RMP's.
Marsha
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