Greetings Squonk,
I didn't mean to hassle you. I believe that each of us has a unique
journey. That is all that I can say.
Marsha
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Greetings Squonk,?
?
You wrote: "If we agree then you must understand that i have it on the
authority of Anthony McWatt that we are no longer using terminology used
by the Metaphysics of Quality." Maybe you can explain what you meant by
including this sentence. I image you had a reason. It is true that I do
chatter on about emptiness, a Buddhist concept, which is not a MOQ term.
Hi Marsha,
The moq terms are:
DQ
sq
Four levels of sq
I think?we can include the?terms
static function
Dynamic function
When you asked, 'Aren't static patterns still process within the field of
DQ?', and i agreed, it reminded me of a time when Anthony told me this
view did not include moq terms.
?
Marsha:?
Which basic idea? Quality? Dynamic Quality & static quality? Or what?
s: Dynamic and Static.
The Good is a synonym for Quality.
?
Marsha:?
Where does RMP state that Quality inherently exists? I cannot remember RMP
ever stating or insinuating that Quality inherently exists.
s: I think i may have had the following in mind:
'...a thing that has no value does not exist. The thing has not created
the value. The value has
created the thing.'
Value is a synonym for Quality.
Marsha:
"Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable in the sense that
there is a knower and a known, but a metaphysics can be none of these
things. A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there
isn't any metaphysics. Since a metaphysics is essentially a kind of
dialectical definition and since Quality is essentially outside
definition, this means that a 'Metaphysics of Quality' is essentially a
contradiction in terms, a logical absurdity." (LILA, Chapter 5)
s: As i stated earlier, even Pirsig is in the same boat.
Maybe Quality doesn't exist then.
My own view is that Quality is a term for that which can not be grasped.?
?
Marsha:?
I am sorry you are unhappy.
s:?How can anyone rightly be unhappy about Anthony's impeccable sense of
artistic integrity?
Shame Marsha! Shame. That is most unfair.
The guy is an effulgence of creativity. And he can move objects without
touching them. He told me this personally.
?
Marsha:?
I've been looking and cannot find a quote where RMP discusses appearances.
s: All these questions are becoming a bit of a drag Marsha. Now i know
what the Delphic Oracle must have felt like!
Look, i said, 'It would appear that...' and this meant, 'If we accept what
RMP says, then...'
Is that OK?
I think you may be taking 'appear' literally.
Marsha:
But I also asked for your understanding which may or may not be exactly
the same as RMP's.?
s: I am not sure there is a difference?
It may be that some people, who claim authority in these matters, like
Anthony for example, would rather it be that when anything is said
regarding the moq then it should be couched in official language. That's
ok. I'm not getting at him or anything.
But, the thing is, for people like me who have often found themselves
following Anthony's advice only to find themselves thinking, 'Hang on, i
don't know what the hell i'm saying here, and it feels wrong' then it
becomes a bind to be always saying, Dynamic this and static that. It gets
so ones vocabulary shrinks to the size of an 18 month old child.
Elegance and simplicity is one thing, but it doesn't allow for much in the
way of nuance, and artists need a bit of nuance in my experience.
I would not equate this to the arrogance of the mind or anything.
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