haven't piped up in a while - but I couldn't help but resonate with these thoughts gav.
- a collective truth! these ideas somehow most closely match what I understood when I read Lila. > but for what *purpose*? isn't that they key question? (...for an > investigation into values/morals). and the purpose must be > quality...good ideas. another way of saying 'truth'. > > but this is not an absolute truth...that is the ideologisation of > truth, which is a social value. absolute truth means collective truth. > > no. the truth that beckons the individual is existential truth - > what is true (good) for them. it is the examined life leading to > the life worth living. this is the purpose and measure of intellect. > in zen buddhism - every action has it's correct situation, correct function, correct relationship this is how I equate what you just said with my truth a buddhist scholar (I quoted here once before - I think it's Mu Seong?) I admire said (paraphrased) "in order to live the buddhist path authentically, you must deconstruct the inherited psychic structure." although I am not trying to be buddhist or anything with a label - this is something I believe - it is the same thing as talking about the why you must examine your life to make it worth living. We have to use intellect to dissect our own personal constructs - and these are the mental constructions built in our mind - ideas and reactions AND some of these reactions happen so fast - we call them dynamic experiences - but they are really just our own ego's response based on ideas we have inherited from family, society, environment, and our own ego itself. maybe these are useful thoughts - I don't know. > > thinking is activity - experience, ie undivided. > > the subject and object are abstracted from experience, along with > all other intellectual patterns. > > subject and object are a bit like time and space i think...it > *seems* obvious that they have an independent existence - > fundamental, bedrock of reality, constant....but we know that > even time and space have no independent existence. all maya. > > what is the intellectual level about? fundamentally it is the > *activity* of the intellect, its dynamic aspect. no SOM here, > just thinking. thought and thinker are abstracted after the fact. > > but for what *purpose*? isn't that they key question? (...for an > investigation into values/morals). and the purpose must be > quality...good ideas. another way of saying 'truth'. > > but this is not an absolute truth...that is the ideologisation of > truth, which is a social value. absolute truth means collective truth. > > no. the truth that beckons the individual is existential truth - > what is true (good) for them. it is the examined life leading to > the life worth living. this is the purpose and measure of intellect. > > so the individual *chooses* which social patterns are good for > them. the intellect chooses those social patterns which support > it best - this is moral. when social patterns try to do this to > intellectual patterns it is immoral. > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
