Ron, Bo,

To change just one of Bo's word - given that MoQ levels are a
historical picture of static patterns ...

"And this attitude WAS intellect."

Scary how many people still talk of science as if we were
pre-Schroedinger, Heisenberg et al. As Max Born said way way back
"Theoretical physics is actual metaphysics."

No thougtful scientist "believes" in an objective reality beyond the
pragmatic conventions and methods of his day job, like we all do, to
avoid stubbing our toes on the philosopher's stone. The problem is not
with scientists, but with caricatures that cast their static patterns
in stone.

Ian

On 7/22/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bo to Marsha:
> Yet, science (particularly physics) is sure that there IS an objective
> reality "out there" that is governed by laws that are independent of
> what we (subjectively) think about it ... AND THIS ATTITUDE IS
> INTELLECT!
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> Ron:
> This attitude is Analytics, get it? perhaps in 1953 this is how science
> viewed phenomena but do a little catching up would ya? read a recent
> scientific journal or two, bone up on something I like to call "recorded
> history" when you refer to Greek philosophy and Aristotle's works.
> Actually read them. This goes miles as far as credibility is concerned.
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