[Platt] Spoken like a true multiculturalist, using typical moveon.org gutter language.
[Arlo] Ooooo.... moveon.org.... oooooo..... multiculturalist... ooooo..... Yeah, its not the absence of "ranking of cultures" that has your balls tight, its that we aren't proclaiming with masturbatory glee the mighty superiority of the Glorious U.S. of A. Gutter language? At least my rhetoric is honest and direct and not filled with the nauseating bullshit of talk-radio as yours. [Arlo previously] As I pointed out with Pirsig's words, the view of the MOQ, and most certainly this is my position. But thanks for that "ooo.... the big evil collectivist" plug. Why should anyone expect anything more? "All men are created equal" is an intellectual pattern of value. "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate out of society" (LILA). ""Our intellectual description of nature is always culturally derived." (LILA) [Platt] Yes, we're all prisoners of group-think. No one can ever possibly have an original idea. [Arlo] Ah yes, how much better it would be if I didn't use "gutter language" and instead used outright moronic deceptive tactics as you use here. Oooooo... group-think... ooooooo... Arlo doesn't think anyone can have an original idea... nevermind I've answered THAT moronic charge a dozen times... but its never enough, the only way you know how to respond to even Pirsig's words is with the sad, pathetic drivel of Limbaugh. But praytell, where does Arlo say "no one can ever have an original idea"? I'm curious, since you seem to imply that's my position here. So, gutter language or deceptive talk-radio bile? Again, at least my gutter language is direct and honest. [Platt] Meanwhile let's be sure to ignore all Pirsig references to individuals, like the guy on death row and why Pirsig says he shouldn't be killed if no threat to society. . [Arlo] Again, bullshit talk-radio drivel. Not only am _I_ the one who supports individual life by opposing capital punishment, but this charge says nothing to the Pirsig quotes offered above. Just distraction, void of content. [Arlo had said] In this case, this particular intellectual emerged from the multicultural union between Amerindians and Europeans. It was born from the contemplation of the social way of life of the American Indian, a reflective, meta-cogntive abstraction where the social-symbolic life of the Indian became an object-of-inquiry in and of itself. It was not "handed down by God", [Platt] With a lead balloon like that, no wonder you found a job in academe. [Arlo] Again, nothing except talk-radio crap. I do know how much you love to use your tired "lead balloon" comment. But I'll be sure to speak in monosyllabic words for you from now on, Platt, so as not to confuse you. Lets take it step by step, and see what words you dont understand. [Arlo's words] In this case, this particular intellectual emerged from the multicultural union between Amerindians and Europeans. [Arlo adds] This just restates exactly what Pirsig mentions in LILA, that the idea for those "self-evident" truths came from Europeans interacting with American Indians. [Arlo's words] It was born from the contemplation of the social way of life of the American Indian.... [Arlo adds] Again, just restating what Pirsig writes, that Europeans, notably Rosseau, observed the way the Indians were living.... [Arlo's words] a reflective, meta-cogntive abstraction where the social-symbolic life of the Indian became an object-of-inquiry in and of itself. [Arlo adds] This is likely the big-bad academic speak. "Reflective, meta-cognitive abstraction" simply refers to process by way that Indian social behavior became an abstract idea removed from social activity and contemplated as philosophical ideas. [Arlo's words] It was not "handed down by God"... [Arlo adds] Again, this is just using Pirsig's own words to demonstrate that the process by which these "self-evident" truths were imagined was entirely rooted in the cultural worlds of the American Indian/European colliding. [Arlo's words] ...but built through the negotiated dialogue of agenic individuals contemplating abstract forms of socially-mediated symbolic life. [Arlo adds] More confusing big words, I know. I'll try to explain. As Europeans began writing and discussing these ideas, born of the observation of Indian social life, the activity of these individuals dialoging as such refined and produced the idea as we know it today. Is that understandable enough for you? Or should I try to dumb it down some more? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
