Hi Krimel and all, I was raised on a farm and horseshit, cowshit, bullshit, pigshit, outhouseshit, chickenshit rabbitshit ratshit and mouseshit (a little shit) was all put in a manure spreader to put on the field to help the wheat grow. I guess what I take from "Shit Happens" is what you do with it, besides playing with it.
Joe On 8/19/08 8:50 AM, "Krimel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >> [Krimel] >> The simplest statement of my metaphysics is: >> Shit Happens! > > gav said: > all is not trial and error. there is communication, and there is imitation. > learning is not random. > > shit. even randomness ain't random. randomness doesn't exist!!!!!!!!!!! > because meaning cannot be divorced from experience > > Krimel relied: > > Zat so? > > Well all kinds of Shit happens. > Good shit > Bad Shit > Sensible and senseless shit > Static and dynamic shit > > Communication, imitation and especially learning all involve: > > Checking things out, > Messing with them and > Seeing what happens. > > There is a bit of the random in every thing that exists but the formula for > making "meaning" out of it is: > > Check it out > Mess with it > See what happens > > Krimel should have added: > I agree that randomness isn't random. > But I would say that is why randomness exists. > Strange attractors are encroachments on randomness. > Islands of probability floating in chance > > "Static qualities" describes them well. > Bits of calm amidst turbulence > They ripple ponds > Wave from dunes > They ripen with the seasons > > Spiraling thorough the cycles > As life and death strobe renewal at each iteration > at each iteration > at each iteration > at each iteration > at each iteration > > They come and go > Static is as static does. > > Randomness can not be driven from a relationship. > > But randomness can be distinguished from uncertainty. > Randomness is specifiable > Uncertainty is not. > > Phenomenologically, randomness surrounds us. > It is we who "'are' uncertain". > Uncertainty isn't about randomness. > Randomness is just shit happening > > Uncertainty isn't about what "is" > It's about "What to do?". > I'd suggest checking it out, messing with it and seeing what happens. > > That's how meaning emerges from experience. > Meaning is reduction in uncertainty. > Try it you'll see what I mean. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
