Hi SA, must have missed it ... interesting question. Of course I value disagreement over matters of substance, it's an opportunity to find new agreement ... and "keep the dialogue going" whilst we do so. I can't believe I've ever said anything like "and we'll all agree" ... 'cos I certainly don't believe that ... that would be like "agreeing to disagree", which is only ever a temporary "holiday" in pragmatic terms.
There are certain kinds of disagreement that I generally avoid / object to, particularly by e-mail, better over a beer or a walk in the woods. Two main kinds .... (1) Negative accusations over the integrity, motives and personal character of your interlocutor. These are ad hominem attacks - a no-no. Should be moderated. (2) Debates that start from political ideological premises. Which I tend to avoid rather than object too, just a matter of preference ... not enough time in the world in my mind to progress these beyond sloganizing, slanging-matches, unless the intelocutor shows intent to drop lay the ideological points aside from the argument. Basically, it's a question of motive SA. My motive in argumentation is to find something, anything, worth agreeing, adding value to the world, not to "avoid" argument or explanation. I avoid (some) arguments that look unlikley to add any value, for practical reasons of bandwidth and sanity. As I have said before Mary Parker-Follett, would be my archetype, in my position on the subject of disagreement and argumentation. Hope that helps. What was the context of your original question ? Ian On 8/22/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ian, > > I recently had a question for you, but heard no response. Don't know if > you saw it or not. I asked you (since your a proponent of a certain middle > way) if you value disagreement, or if it goes against your grain? I know you > like to say stuff like 'dialog long enough and we'll find we all agree', and > seem to be against people disagreeing with each other on this forum. Curious. > > > SA > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [MD] For Bo > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:02 AM > > Actually, Ron, SA, > > > > Godel's argument concerns any formal system of logic > > (not just > > mathematics per se) ... but it doesn't change your > > point, since the > > argument was part of the debate about whether mathematics > > and logic > > resolve to the same thing. > > > > My son's recent dissertation was specifically on the > > subject of > > Godel's incompleteness and/or inconsistency in relation > > to systems of > > moral philosophy. Let me see if I can dig you out a copy > > ... > > > > Ian > > > > On 8/22/08, Ron Kulp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Ron: > > > The fallacy, SA, is using a mathematical theorem to > > support > > > a metaphysical understanding. It supposes a cap on > > knowledge > > > and intellect when it is only a rarely used and one of > > many, > > > methods of reasoning. > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
