Yes it should DM, agreed. I said "understanding the actual disagreement is part of finding out .... etc..."
I would add one more general item to your list .... Differences in the "basis of belief" / "basis of understanding" I wouldn't use "irrational" for the "feeling" based understandings, the emotional ones, but these do tend to be the ones concerned with the participants themselves rather than their arguments. Ian On 8/23/08, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Ian/SA > > Should not disagrement aim to reach an understanding of > where the difference is. What sort of differences? These maybe: > > Different experience > Different values > Different interpretation/value of experience > Different split between possible/impossible > Different definitions > Irrational feelings of difference when there is none (DMB) > > anything else? > > DM > > > > > > > Hi SA, must have missed it ... interesting question. > > > > Of course I value disagreement over matters of substance, it's an > > opportunity to find new agreement ... and "keep the dialogue going" > > whilst we do so. I can't believe I've ever said anything like "and > > we'll all agree" ... 'cos I certainly don't believe that ... that > > would be like "agreeing to disagree", which is only ever a temporary > > "holiday" in pragmatic terms. > > > > There are certain kinds of disagreement that I generally avoid / > > object to, particularly by e-mail, better over a beer or a walk in the > > woods. Two main kinds .... > > > > (1) Negative accusations over the integrity, motives and personal > > character of your interlocutor. These are ad hominem attacks - a > > no-no. Should be moderated. > > > > (2) Debates that start from political ideological premises. Which I > > tend to avoid rather than object too, just a matter of preference ... > > not enough time in the world in my mind to progress these beyond > > sloganizing, slanging-matches, unless the intelocutor shows intent to > > drop lay the ideological points aside from the argument. > > > > Basically, it's a question of motive SA. My motive in argumentation is > > to find something, anything, worth agreeing, adding value to the > > world, not to "avoid" argument or explanation. I avoid (some) > > arguments that look unlikley to add any value, for practical reasons > > of bandwidth and sanity. > > > > As I have said before Mary Parker-Follett, would be my archetype, in > > my position on the subject of disagreement and argumentation. Hope > > that helps. What was the context of your original question ? > > Ian > > > > On 8/22/08, Heather Perella > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Ian, > > > > > > I recently had a question for you, but heard no response. Don't know > if you saw it or not. I asked you (since your a proponent of a certain > middle way) if you value disagreement, or if it goes against your grain? I > know you like to say stuff like 'dialog long enough and we'll find we all > agree', and seem to be against people disagreeing with each other on this > forum. Curious. > > > > > > > > > SA > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > From: Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Subject: Re: [MD] For Bo > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > Actually, Ron, SA, > > > > > > > > Godel's argument concerns any formal system of logic > > > > (not just > > > > mathematics per se) ... but it doesn't change your > > > > point, since the > > > > argument was part of the debate about whether mathematics > > > > and logic > > > > resolve to the same thing. > > > > > n it is only a rarely used and one of > > > > > > > > many, > > > > > methods of reasoning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > > Archives: > > > > > > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > > Archives: > > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
