Hi Ian/SA
Should not disagrement aim to reach an understanding of
where the difference is. What sort of differences? These maybe:
Different experience
Different values
Different interpretation/value of experience
Different split between possible/impossible
Different definitions
Irrational feelings of difference when there is none (DMB)
anything else?
DM
Hi SA, must have missed it ... interesting question.
Of course I value disagreement over matters of substance, it's an
opportunity to find new agreement ... and "keep the dialogue going"
whilst we do so. I can't believe I've ever said anything like "and
we'll all agree" ... 'cos I certainly don't believe that ... that
would be like "agreeing to disagree", which is only ever a temporary
"holiday" in pragmatic terms.
There are certain kinds of disagreement that I generally avoid /
object to, particularly by e-mail, better over a beer or a walk in the
woods. Two main kinds ....
(1) Negative accusations over the integrity, motives and personal
character of your interlocutor. These are ad hominem attacks - a
no-no. Should be moderated.
(2) Debates that start from political ideological premises. Which I
tend to avoid rather than object too, just a matter of preference ...
not enough time in the world in my mind to progress these beyond
sloganizing, slanging-matches, unless the intelocutor shows intent to
drop lay the ideological points aside from the argument.
Basically, it's a question of motive SA. My motive in argumentation is
to find something, anything, worth agreeing, adding value to the
world, not to "avoid" argument or explanation. I avoid (some)
arguments that look unlikley to add any value, for practical reasons
of bandwidth and sanity.
As I have said before Mary Parker-Follett, would be my archetype, in
my position on the subject of disagreement and argumentation. Hope
that helps. What was the context of your original question ?
Ian
On 8/22/08, Heather Perella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ian,
I recently had a question for you, but heard no response. Don't know
if you saw it or not. I asked you (since your a proponent of a certain
middle way) if you value disagreement, or if it goes against your grain?
I know you like to say stuff like 'dialog long enough and we'll find we
all agree', and seem to be against people disagreeing with each other on
this forum. Curious.
SA
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Ian Glendinning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MD] For Bo
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:02 AM
> Actually, Ron, SA,
>
> Godel's argument concerns any formal system of logic
> (not just
> mathematics per se) ... but it doesn't change your
> point, since the
> argument was part of the debate about whether mathematics
> and logic
> resolve to the same thing.
n it is only a rarely used and one of
> many,
> > methods of reasoning.
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