[David M] I understand your concern with overly romantic attacks on science and agree we should keep sight of sciences many benefits. But there is a case against scientism and reductionism and essentialism to be made against some approachs to science that I think inprove our understanding of science. I also think there is a non supernatural case against a type of naturalism, see this for explanation:
http://www.philosophers.co.uk/cafe/phil_may2003.htm [Krimel] Your reading suggests while not always welcome are usually interesting and eventually appreciated. But here the argument is not naturalism as opposed to supernaturalism. I think Ham and dmb and Platt each in their own way wants to embrace the supernatural while hiding in their respective closets. [David M] I also agree that the aim of MOQ is to recontextualise the modern world and offer a better context for understanding life, science and society than SOM does. For me, we need to have an understanding of how we base our knowledge on lived experience. Lived experience is our context, this is a context of qualities, values, change, patterns, and the potential for change and action. Given experience as it is and understood (described) in terms like these we can go on to understand how we can have scientific, personal, emotional, sexual, aesthetic, social, political, etc forms of knowledge. Experience is a larger category that contains 'objects' of knowledge that exceed those that science wants to, or can, address. [Krimel] I have no problem with any of that with the possible exception of your move toward imbuing the inorganic with "experience." Even there I suspect the disagreement is mainly semantic. I would add that all I think science does is formalize the most natural process we have available to us for gaining knowledge which is to check things out, mess with them and see what happens. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
