> > 
> > Ron:
> > That's my point, they saw no reason to adhere to any social values,
> they
> > were meaningless customs to them. They thought intellectualism was the
> > answer. 
> 
> Platt:
> Ok, but could you explain what you mean by "social excellence."
> Thanks.
> Ron;
> the social/intellectual ideals that govern biological patterns.
> simply because they have biological consequences.
> It's the social conformance which is a lo level pattern but it's the
> ideal that is of a higher intellectual/social value because it keeps
> biological
> values in mind by exceeding social standards.

Platt:
Thanks. I don't follow the distinctions. "Ideals" as a concept is so 
abstract that to me it belongs totally within the intellectual level.
 
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