... and Jiddu Krishnamurti: Consciousness is it's content.
2008/8/30 Platt Holden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi Marsha: > > Let me add my thanks to others for these quotes. Interesting indeed! I > would like to add: > > Erwin Schrodinger > > "The external world and consciousness are one and the same thing." > > Platt > > > > > > Some interesting quotes: > > > > > > Thomas Stapp: > > > > "The physical world is "Not a structure built out of independently > > existing non-analysable entities, but rather a web of relationships > > between elements whose meanings arise wholly from their relationship > > to the whole" " An elementary particle is not an independently > > existing non-analysable entity. It is in essence, a set of > > relationships that reach outwards to other things." > > "In conclusion there is definitely not a substantial physical world." > > > > > > > > John Wheeler: > > > > "May the universe in some strange sense be "brought into being" by > > the participation of those who participate?... The vital act is the > > act of participation. "Participator" is the incontrovertible new > > concept given by quantum mechanics. It strikes down the term "ob > > server" of classical theory, the man who stands safely behind the > > thick glass wall and watches what goes on without taking part. It > > can't be done, quantum mechanics says." > > > > > > > > Werner Heisenberg: > > > > "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our > > method of questioning". > > "...we never can know what actually goes on in the invisible > > subatomic realm, and that, therefore, we should "abandon all attempts > > to construct perceptual models of atomic processes". > > > > > > > > Niels Bohr: > > > > ".. an independent reality in the ordinary physical sense can be > > ascribed neither to the phenomena nor to the agencies of observation." > > "Isolated material particles are abstractions, their properties > > definable and observable only through their interaction with other > > systems." > > "Quantum mechanics entails the necessity of a final renunciation of > > classical ideas of causality and a radical revision of our attitude > > towards the problem of physical reality." > > > > > > > > David Bohm: > > > > "Parts are seen to be in immediate connection in which their > > dynamical relationships depend in an irreducible way on the state of > > the whole system and the entire universe. Thus one is lead to a new > > notion of unbroken wholeness which denies the classical idea of an > > analyzability of the world into separate and independently existent > > parts." > > > > > > > > Robert Oppenheimer: > > > > "If we ask, for instance, whether the position of the electron > > remains the same, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether the electron's > > position changes with time, we must say 'No'; if we ask whether it is > > in motion, we must say 'No'. The Buddha has given such answers when > > interrogated as to the conditions of a man's self after death; but > > they are not familiar answers for the tradition of 17th and 18th > > century science." > > > > > > > > Fritjof Capra (The turning point) sums up the current situation: > > > > "In atomic physics the observed phenomena can be under stood only as > > as correlations between various processes of obser vation and > > measurement, and the end of this chain of processes lies always in > > the consciousness of the human observer. the crucial feature of > > quantum theory is that the observer is not only necessary to observe > > the properties of an atomic phenomenon, but is necessary even to > > bring about these properties. .. The electron does not have objective > > properties independent of my mind. In atomic physics the sharp > > Cartesian division between mind and matter, between the observer and > > the observed, can no longer be maintained. We can never speak about > > nature without, at the same time, speaking about ourselves." > > > > > > > > > > . > > . > > > > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the > > stars......... > > . > > . > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
