On Sunday 24 August 3:50 PM David M writes to Krim: DM: All our ideas about natural processes derive from experience and our imaginative atempts to make sense of this experience and to narrate a story of how we have got to this point. We have to assume an understanding of experience to understand how we can tell these stories and make these descriptions. We start from experience to tell a story of how we got to this point. We always have to start the story from here even if we are telling a story that starts with the big bang but ends with how we got to the point where we could start to imagine a big bang once began this story. Before we can take seriously our descritions of natural processes we need to understand how we do this, so we need to understand experience phenomenologically, we need to describe experience and how we create notions like natural processes. DM Hi DM, Krimel and all,
I recently posted a quote from Maurice Nicoll who was a student of Jung, Gurdjieff, Ouspensky. He posits: ³Man is both in time and out of time. Now the sensual mind is based on time and space, but not the psychological mind. We can say that only partial truth is accessible to the sensual mind². ³In time² I took to be a description of the consciousness at the MOQ social level. ³Out of time² I read as a description of the consciousness at the MOQ intellectual level. In your opinion is this a phenomenological understanding of a description of experience and how we create notions like natural processes? IMO Consciousness evolves. Joe On 8/24/08 3:50 PM, "David M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Krim > >> [Krimel] >> What I have said is that experience is the product of these neural >> processes. Experience emerges from those patterns of neural firings. >> Understanding those physiological processes can add greatly to our >> understanding of how experiences arise. You claim not to deny natural >> processes but you do want to ignore them. I don't see a distinction there. > > DM: All our ideas about natural processes derive from experience and > our imaginative atempts to make sense of this experience and to narrate > a story of how we have got to this point. We have to assume an understanding > of experience to understand how we can tell these stories and make these > descriptions. We start from experience to tell a story of how we got to this > point. We always have to start the story from here even if we are telling a > story that starts with the big bang but ends with how we got to the point > where we could start to imagine a big bang once began this story. Before > we can take seriously our descritions of natural processes we need to > understand how we do this, so we need to understand experience > phenomenologically, > we need to describe experience and how we create notions like natural > processes. > > DM > > > > >> >> Furthermore, for all your talk of mysticism and the perennial philosophy >> you >> have precious little to say about their relevance. >> >> [dmb] >> Krimel. As I see it, you've still got zero points on the board. What is >> it, >> four to nothing? Five? >> >> [Krimel] >> OK, you win. I don't have time for playing games and keeping score. I love >> you death man but I sincerely have bigger fish to fry. You too will be >> disappearing shortly I suspect. Good luck with school. I hope you pay >> attention in your social sciences classes. Let me know if I can help. >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
