I think I'd rather spend time with the eagle, hawk, fox, deer and
otter in the neighborhood. Even my respect for the intelligence of
trees has just taken a large uptick.
At 07:47 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
Hi all,
I don't view Second Life as a game; I never tried World of Warcraft or other
such games. For me Second Life is more like an elaborate chat room. We could
all get accounts there and set up an MoQ discussion group and we could get a
hall with chairs in a circle and chat in text or voice over; I went to such
a set up in SL recently - Naughty Auties (for autistic/asperger's adults).
In this respect it is no different than MoQ discuss - except that email is
slower and that may make us think more about what we write. I should add
that in SL although you may change your avatar's appearance the avatar name,
which always hovers above the avatar like a halo, never changes.
People in Second Life often buy a piece of land and 'build' and furnish a
house on it, but this is just an extension of the same impulse some have to
create a weblog or set up their own website - which I know many in
Moq-discuss already do; it is self-expression - like painting.
The aspect that is difficult to accept is that all that's done and created
in these virtual worlds is one more step removed from the inorganic and
organic realms that we are more deeply connected to in 'real' life. The
virtual world is all 1s and 0s out there in the ether, and to organise all
these 1s and 0s we have to sit in front of a computer for long periods to do
it - hey, but we all do that anyway (I am an infrequent contributor here but
some people here must spend hours everyday mailing to MoQdiscuss).
A few days into Second Life I had a real life dream that a ghost was
controlling my limbs; it was slightly disconcerting but no where near as
much as the recurring dream I used to have of a ghost chasing me or sitting
on my chest while I was asleep.
-Peter
2008/9/9 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> At 02:46 AM 9/9/2008, you wrote:
>
>> [Marsha]
>> Am I naive to expect trust and honesty between posters?
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> Trust and honesty are not tied to some "real identity", Marsha. How are
>> the
>> value of my words tied to some corporeal image and whether or not that
>> image is
>> "my actual body"? How does Arlo's "alter egos" or "other personae" detract
>> from
>> whatever quality my ideas here may hold?
>>
>> The only "Marsha" I know is the one whose "reality" has been constructed
>> here,
>> from her words, and from whatever information "she" has chosen to add. I
>> do not
>> care if this "Marsha" is different from any other identity ("Marsha" or
>> otherwise) that also resides in the gray matter oHi f some particular
>> corporeal
>> body somewhere. The "Marsha" I care about is the one that exists here,
>> indeed,
>> that is the only "real" Marsha I will ever know. And the value of your
>> words
>> are based on that, not on some expectation that all your personae have
>> some
>> continuity that is mistakenly portrayed as "honesty".
>>
>
> I no longer think we have a shared understanding of "honesty" or trust. I
> just don't.
>
> Do you think you're teaching us some jolting, grand lesson about the self?
> Do us simple misguided patterns need your guidance? You make me laugh.
>
>
>
> [Marsha]
>> Are Krimel, SA, Margaret, Chris and Ron just Arlo amusing himself,?
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> And if you found out all these did share the same corporeal host, how
>> would
>> that detract from any value you've found in their words? Besides, maybe we
>> should let the cat out of the bag and let everyone know that "Marsha" is
>> one of
>> my alter-identities.
>>
>
> I'm not saying it should matter to you. Call me conventional, but it does
> matter to me.
>
> My phone number is 203.746.1715. Call. I'm in Connecticut, not
> Pennsylvania.
>
>
>
>
> [Marsha]
>> And that's not a problem?
>>
>> [Arlo]
>> It would be a problem for you, I suppose, if you based the Quality of
>> their
>> words on the illusion that they all inhabited different gray matter. What
>> that
>> has to do with anything, I don't know, but it's the only problem I could
>> see.
>>
>> When we read Lila, for example (or any book), we have the illusion that
>> the
>> characters are "different people", but Lila, Rigel, Phaedrus, all of them
>> are
>> "just Bob" amusing us with his narrative. Along the way we've learned a
>> lot
>> from this chorus of Bobs, and we quote them here as if "Lila" really said
>> something, or "Rigel" said this, when in actuality it was all Bob.
>>
>> Does that make the value of what "Lila" said any less, Marsha? I'm
>> guessing
>> not, since you quote "her" very often in this forum.
>>
>
> Arlo, you do not need to justify what you do, JUST BE HONEST. Announce
> that you do not wish to be one integrated (conventional) individual, but
> would like to assume multiple personalities. You could be Arlo(Krimel), or
> Arlo(SA) or Arlo(Margaret). I might find that acceptable. At least in
> your game all would know the rules you play by.
>
>
> A particular author writing for multiple characters is not deception. It's
> understood as the nature of a novel and storytelling.
>
> Arlo, what do you want? I mean it. Bottom line, what do you want?
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
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