Ok Marsha, me too in fact. People start with a blank slate (100% trust) with me ... but their behaviour maintains it there ... (or not) ... not earning from zero ... very important item for me too ... and I won't get over it ;-)
Ian On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > At 03:54 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote: >> >> he "toleration" is nothing to do with me Marsha, the online identities >> are tolerated / trusted by all who interact with them. The only person >> with any actual power to decide if an identity is "valid" is Horse. >> >> But I see Arlo has picked-up the "identity" question ... I'd agree >> with the general point it's not about a name, or even a zip code or >> phone number - they can all change - it's about the constancy and >> consistency (or not) of many overlapping patterns ... mainly patterns >> of text and "behaviour" in e-mails, since we are an e-mail forum, with >> little else to go on. >> >> Are you naive to expect trust and honesty betweeen posters ? No you >> are not, but trust has to be earned (whatever anyone's name). >> >> Ian > > Ian, > > Twenty years ago I might agree with you that trust has to be earned. Today > I'm willing to believe people will be honest. I understand that people make > mistakes and every set of patterns has a different experience and therefore > may perceive a different truth. But I want to believe people are being as > honest as possible. It provides a better living experience. Of course I > have been mistaken, but so what. I acknowledge that death may be an instant > away, and I don't want evaluating trustworthiness to dominate my experience. > Besides, intuition really directs my interactions with the world. So I > don't really think much about it. Well, except for now in this forum. But > I'll get over it. > > Marsha > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:36 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > At 06:09 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote: >> >> >> >> "The Old Plant" was of course a spoof from the outset Marsha ... it >> >> just landed in the forum at a moment when others would rather not hear >> >> the idea of a hoax you may recall. My timing never was that good. >> > >> > Hi Ian, >> > >> > At the time, there was only shock! It had to do with honesty and >> > trust, >> > and it took me a while to readjust. >> > >> > >> >> I'm confused about doubts about multiple "false" identities - there >> >> clearly are / have been a few. They are tolerated so long intent is >> >> not low-quality. >> > >> > They are tolerated??? Who is the "they"? Where is the definition of >> > "tolerated"? And who decides to the placement on the value on a >> > high-to-low >> > scale? Have you been making these assessments? Please share your >> > involvement on the Board. >> > >> > If individuals want to construct new identities, there are obviously >> > websites where this is the purpose. Go! Have a good time. It seems >> > honest >> > because everybody knows that it's happening. But, pardon me, I thought >> > that >> > in a MOQ forum, honesty, at least, would be valued. >> > >> > Seems to me there's a difference between anonymity and bullshit. I >> > don't >> > buy Arlo's rationalizations for this forum. Am I naive to expect trust >> > and >> > honesty between posters? Are Krimel, SA, Margaret, Chris and Ron just >> > Arlo >> > amusing himself,? And that's not a problem? >> > >> > Gee, I'm really stupid, aren't I? >> > >> > Hahahahaha. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Ian >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > At 04:25 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote: >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> I think the general conclusion I have come to is >> >> >> that this forum IS virtually meaningless... >> >> >> >> >> >> thanks for opening my eyes to that one.. >> >> >> >> >> >> this, the mad hatters tea party.. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Ron, >> >> > >> >> > Relax. A couple of years ago Ian came out with a post claiming he >> >> > had >> >> > uncovered the fact that Platt was RMP. I went into deep shock. My >> >> > trust >> >> > ratio went to zero for a while. >> >> > >> >> > If nobody in this forum is being deceptive and dishonest within the >> >> > forum, >> >> > it might just be an interesting discussion. The topic of self >> >> > (identities) >> >> > is fascinating when patterns are interrelated and constantly >> >> > changing. >> >> > >> >> > What do you think? Might this be a chance to empty some of that >> >> > tea? >> >> > >> >> > Marsha >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > >> >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the >> >> > stars......... >> >> > . >> >> > . >> >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> > Archives: >> >> > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> >> > >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> >> Archives: >> >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> >> http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ >> > >> > . >> > . >> > >> > Shoot for the moon. 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