At 04:36 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
Actually Marsha, you got me started ...
This is why we need "conversations" as well as difficult arguments ...
to establish these things.
If someone's first post on a discussion forum was an incredible claim
that "The traffic lights turn blue tomorrow." You would have to assume
some rhetorical trick ... or that their word was not to be trusted
literally.
It would be much easier to work out where to place that trust, if
there had been a history of conversations where you'd established that
the person was likely to be a Hendrix fan and one who indulged in
rhetorical games.
It's also one reason why virtual worlds are valuable, because if you
know the world is virtual, you can learn these things faster by taking
greater risks with less tangible downside, when exhibiting less
credible behaviour - flirting, testing each other out, in more
outrageous ways, etc ...
Ian
Is that so?
I had an experience of removing my shell, and realized we all carry
around really heavy shells to protect us. Mostly to protect us from
imaginary fear. And mostly fear of each other. Death by burning cheeks!
What kind of flirting would it be if I weren't looking into your
eyes. I haven't lost my senses yet.
Marsha
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Ian Glendinning
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ok Marsha, me too in fact.
>
> People start with a blank slate (100% trust) with me ... but their
> behaviour maintains it there ... (or not) ... not earning from zero
> ... very important item for me too ... and I won't get over it ;-)
>
> Ian
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 3:26 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> At 03:54 PM 9/10/2008, you wrote:
>>>
>>> he "toleration" is nothing to do with me Marsha, the online identities
>>> are tolerated / trusted by all who interact with them. The only person
>>> with any actual power to decide if an identity is "valid" is Horse.
>>>
>>> But I see Arlo has picked-up the "identity" question ... I'd agree
>>> with the general point it's not about a name, or even a zip code or
>>> phone number - they can all change - it's about the constancy and
>>> consistency (or not) of many overlapping patterns ... mainly patterns
>>> of text and "behaviour" in e-mails, since we are an e-mail forum, with
>>> little else to go on.
>>>
>>> Are you naive to expect trust and honesty betweeen posters ? No you
>>> are not, but trust has to be earned (whatever anyone's name).
>>>
>>> Ian
>>
>> Ian,
>>
>> Twenty years ago I might agree with you that trust has to be
earned. Today
>> I'm willing to believe people will be honest. I understand that
people make
>> mistakes and every set of patterns has a different experience
and therefore
>> may perceive a different truth. But I want to believe people are being as
>> honest as possible. It provides a better living experience. Of course I
>> have been mistaken, but so what. I acknowledge that death may
be an instant
>> away, and I don't want evaluating trustworthiness to dominate my
experience.
>> Besides, intuition really directs my interactions with the world. So I
>> don't really think much about it. Well, except for now in this
forum. But
>> I'll get over it.
>>
>> Marsha
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>>> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 11:36 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > At 06:09 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> "The Old Plant" was of course a spoof from the outset Marsha ... it
>>> >> just landed in the forum at a moment when others would rather not hear
>>> >> the idea of a hoax you may recall. My timing never was that good.
>>> >
>>> > Hi Ian,
>>> >
>>> > At the time, there was only shock! It had to do with honesty and
>>> > trust,
>>> > and it took me a while to readjust.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I'm confused about doubts about multiple "false" identities - there
>>> >> clearly are / have been a few. They are tolerated so long intent is
>>> >> not low-quality.
>>> >
>>> > They are tolerated??? Who is the "they"? Where is the definition of
>>> > "tolerated"? And who decides to the placement on the value on a
>>> > high-to-low
>>> > scale? Have you been making these assessments? Please share your
>>> > involvement on the Board.
>>> >
>>> > If individuals want to construct new identities, there are obviously
>>> > websites where this is the purpose. Go! Have a good time. It seems
>>> > honest
>>> > because everybody knows that it's happening. But, pardon me, I thought
>>> > that
>>> > in a MOQ forum, honesty, at least, would be valued.
>>> >
>>> > Seems to me there's a difference between anonymity and bullshit. I
>>> > don't
>>> > buy Arlo's rationalizations for this forum. Am I naive to expect trust
>>> > and
>>> > honesty between posters? Are Krimel, SA, Margaret, Chris and Ron just
>>> > Arlo
>>> > amusing himself,? And that's not a problem?
>>> >
>>> > Gee, I'm really stupid, aren't I?
>>> >
>>> > Hahahahaha.
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >> Ian
>>> >>
>>> >> On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM, MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >> > At 04:25 PM 9/8/2008, you wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I think the general conclusion I have come to is
>>> >> >> that this forum IS virtually meaningless...
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> thanks for opening my eyes to that one..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> this, the mad hatters tea party..
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Ron,
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Relax. A couple of years ago Ian came out with a post claiming he
>>> >> > had
>>> >> > uncovered the fact that Platt was RMP. I went into deep shock. My
>>> >> > trust
>>> >> > ratio went to zero for a while.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > If nobody in this forum is being deceptive and dishonest within the
>>> >> > forum,
>>> >> > it might just be an interesting discussion. The topic of self
>>> >> > (identities)
>>> >> > is fascinating when patterns are interrelated and constantly
>>> >> > changing.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What do you think? Might this be a chance to empty some of that
>>> >> > tea?
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Marsha
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > .
>>> >> > .
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the
>>> >> > stars.........
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