Hi Andre I will get back to you on the points below but in the meantime, something to think about from Mckinsey:
http://www.mckinseyquarterly.com/Strategy/Globalization/China_surprises Rgds Khoo Hock Aun On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Andre Broersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Khoo says: > > China today, as always has been, is not without its faults. But I am trying > to understand where your pessimism is coming from. It is a civilisation > completely rooted into a metaphysics of it own, notwithstanding the extreme > directions it has been taken by its leaders, imperial or socialist. It > makes > no pretense that intellect is merely a tool (even if elements are borrowed > from the West) it is not an end in itself. > > Hello Khoo, and thank you once again for your thoughtful and insightful > posts. > > I will try to explain my "pessimism" but before I do must make clear that I > understand that "we" are only a blip in the 'aesthetic continuum'. That we > are but 'dust in the wind' within the 'great scheme of things'(?), if you > allow me to put it in this way. Religions, philosophies, civilisations, > ideas have come and gone, call it 'history' and it can be argued that > because of these, and perhaps despite these, we are here now. And in MoQ > terms it is the dynamic force that is responsible..or put it more > succinctly : people within these civilisations responding, and being able > to > respond, to DQ. > > And here is the area of my "pessimism" ( can't remember if I actually used > this word) with regards to China (a huge generalisation, I know!). > > With my Western mind-set I see so much human (ideas) waste. > In earlier posts I have attempted to describe the formal education process > from primary- to middel- to college- ( and here I can include University-) > level where every hint or budding of originality, creativity, initiative, > expression of one's own ideas/thoughts is ruthlessly dealt with if it does > not express Party ideology. > And this static intellectual pattern is enforced right through to the > social > and biological levels. One has to experience it to believe it. It resembles > very closely Orwell's 1984 projection in novel form. > There is no freedom of speech, no freedom of movement and what I mean by > these is that there is no freedom to express responses to Dynamic Quality. > > I realise I have a Western mind-set. I realise (to all those in this > Discuss...well possibly only 2 or 3) that I am probably still stuck in SOM > thinking, but I value individual human beings! (as indiv. stat.PoV's) > > Grand ideas and grand schemes ( Int. PoV's ) do have a tendency to overlook > and forget very quickly where they have their origins in and from (Soc. > PoV's). My very simple notion is that you have to look after your parents, > making sure society it is kept healthy and functioning by ( Platt [not sure > if you are interested in this at all] the provision of, for example, a > National health Scheme).This is arguably a Soc PoV but let intellectual > patterns of value support the side of this development. > > Platt asked me to provide evidence in ZMM and Lila of Pirsig's notions of > compassion, love, care etc. They are full of it. They are full of the way > (if I may say so) intellectual patterns of value in the personification of > Phaedrus express these feelings towards social Pov's and biological PoV's: > > ZMM the father/son relationship: starined/ awkward for obvious reasons but > considerate, loving, caring. > Considerations/ care towards John and Sylvia...they are friends not > characters. > Relationship with De Weese: after their trecking through the mountains they > stay at a hotel rather than disturbing the De Weese's. > Phaedrus does not kill off the professor (p385/6): "A life time of blows > tends to make a person unenthousiastic about any unnecessary interchange > that might lead to more". > "He [Phaedrus] makes a last attempt somehow to be nice...". > > In Lila, again where an Int. PoV (Phaedrus) talking about and interacting > with a static PoV (Lila) which he describes as "Biologically she's fine, > socially she's pretty far down the scale, intellectually ( as an > intellectual) she's nowhere. But dynamically...Ahh that's the one to > watch.(p 165) > "The important thing was to support her delusions and then slowly wean her > away from them rather than fight them"(p380) > "He wasn't going to send her to hospital" (p379). > > What I am getting at is that the MoQ should show compassion, love, a caring > attitude towards SPOV's at all times. I miss this attitude in some of the > posts. > Of course Pirsig is quite clear on where the MoQ stands morally. > Rightly he says that social PoV's should not dominate Int. PoV's. Or the > reverse that Int. PoV's should be dominated by Soc.PoV's. > > But is the MoQ suggesting that those nations that do, ought to be > condemmned, attacked and bombed? and justifiably so?? > They throw bombs therefore we throw bombs and even worse...we think they > may > throw bombs therefore we'll be first and are morally justified in doing so > ( > the pre- emptive stikes!) > The majority of people within those nations probably agree with their > government policies and activities to the same extent that we do with our > own government policies and activities. ( i.e they are rendered powerless > as > well) > > The only thing that I see around me is that fellow human beings simply want > to make a living first, survive...have a job, security, safety from Biol. > PoV's. So long as Int. PoV's have a different agenda to providing these ( > yes in this context be supportive of Soc. PoV's) the battle and mess will > continue). > > Now Khoo, I realise I have digressed a lot. With this long epistle I have > tried to show you some of the things that concern me as a human being who > only spends a fraction of his life on this wonderful planet. > > And don't get me wrong: I can say I love China, its people, magnificent > country. If only I could combine West and East, not only in my heart but in > reality.. it is truly awsome. > > I look forward to you reflections on these. > Andre > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ > -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6016-301 4079 Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
