Hi Andre, > What I have been following over the past few weeks on this Discuss is > the > self same objections about an intellectual pattern going of on its own > and > virtualy doing what it likes in the name of freedom, freedom of speech > (always used separately),human rights etc. > I am referring here to your own experiece in America. And it appears to > me > that what you are hearing , seeing and feeling IS NOT REPRESENTED BY ANY > HUMAN BEING AT ALL! It creates what it wants to justify and justifies > what > it has created in the name of intellect.
Examples? > Is this still pointing to the problem, raised 10 years ago in TLS, about > the > intellectual level? Which has not satisfactorily been resoled ( as far as > I > am aware). > I mean, this intellectual level does not reflect any understanding of > and > harmony with its parent social level. Harmony? The intellectual level as seen from the MOQ perspective doesn't recognize any moral levels at all --social, biological, or organic -- because it doesn't recognize morals except as being randomly subjective. > Posts constantly highlight 'dominance, conflict,subjugation,struggle > with > its 'lower' level. 'Breaking free' from its dominance,... and given this > train of thought create fantasies about the wonderfull capabilities and > possibilities of what can be achieved if only we let the intellectual > level reign free. > > You have chided me sometimes for being a protagonist/protector of the > social > level, perhaps to the point of being naive about it. Point taken! But I > do > feel and say it again: if social PoV's are a mess you can bet your > bottom > dollar that its offspring, the Int. PoV's are messy as well and I think > precisely because Int. PoV's still have not gotten used to the idea of > Quality and its subdivision DQ/SQ! > Int. PoV's are still battling with this basic question: > > 'And what is good, Phaedrus, and what is not good- > Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? Agree. > I am hearing people in this discuss using ( I'd rather say: abusing) > the > MoQ to wreak havoc on this planet, a justification to blast away > anything > and everything that does not fit their ideas of what 'should' be in the > name > of Int. PoV's. In the name of freedom etc. etc. I will tell you straight > out: you have no idea what freedom is! Absolutely not! > It is an experience that cannot be described in words. It is Quality, > the > appreciation of which you cannot comprehend without having suffered. > Pirsig > says something about that.He is absolutely correct. He says suffering drives moral evolution. But you'll have to show me where he says one has to suffer to have pure experience prior to concepts. > Our Int. PoV's are not mature enough yet, to carry the incredible > responsibility of the implications and the prospects of this MoQ way of > thinking. Agree. > I believe we should go back to basics and appreciate what each level has > done for the other level, how we can latch each level's achievements > with > plenty of tlc's and build from there. As Pirsig points out, our intellect > is > only a few thousand years young. In Khoo's terms...less than a blip. > Intellectually we still have an awfull long way to go. Agree. The MOQ perspective is not easy to maintain. Platt Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
