At 03:15 AM 11/2/2008, you wrote:
Marsha

On 1 Nov. you wrote:

Bo before
> >Show me one pattern you deem
> >intellectual that's not a S/O derivative.

>   E = mc²


It falls in the same class as all/any scientific "theorem": A
demonstration that so and so relationship is OBJECTIVE. That it
always works regardless of human SUBJECTIVE interference. That
nature is a rigid dead mechanistic something . No rituals can alter its
workings. This in contrast to the SOCIAL magical malleable reality
where the wasn't any "nature" in contrast to "culture".

It is pretty, isn't it? I knew I was getting myself into trouble by not using 2 + 2 = 4. But E = mc² is gorgeous, as was Einstein.

By what rules do YOU determine what is an Intellectual spov? Quantum mechanics is relational. The E = mc² expresses special relativity. You seem to want to apply a rigid attribute/criterion to Int. spovs that should not be there. I know of no such prohibition within the MOQ that would exclude relativity, and I don't understand relativity to be objective.

Is E = mc² the pattern? Or is there a whole lot of ideas associated with it and part of the pattern?



Einstein did of course not face the said social-magical reality, it was
overcome long ago, nor had anyone up to his time known or seen
matter being transformed into energy, thus the E=mc2 (How did you
manage to put the small "power" number in place?) is in a class of
itself. More on this later if you want.

Yes, of course I want. I do not understand your explanation. I know you understand it, but I do not.

Everything-is-connected-to-everything. How would you categorized that statement? Do you think it falls short of being an Int. spov? Please explain. And please give us your rules for what can legitimately fall into the Intellectual Level? You seem to use some kind of criterion.



Marsha



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The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony without end.
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