[Horse had said]
Hi Bo
First off you asked:
"Show me one pattern you deem intellectual that's not a S/O derivative."
According to Pirsig:
Annotation129 (Lila's Child):
"I’ve always thought this is incorrect because many forms of intellect
do not have a subject-object construction. These include logic itself,
mathematics, computer programming languages, and, I believe some
primitive languages (although I can’t remember what they are)."
To the above I would probably add Fuzzy Systems, Chaos and Quantum Theory.
Secondly, you said:
"SOM is no metaphysical system after being subsumed by the MOQ. "
As far as I'm aware, even if the MOQ does subsume SOM (it doesn't - it's
a competing Intellectual pattern of Value and the MOQ is in opposition
to it) this doesn't alter SOM's existence as a metaphysical system.
[Ron]
Hello, while I do agree with you about MoQ being one of many intellectual
patterns
I'd argue with Pirsig regarding mathematics and logic not having subject-object
construction.
Subject/object constructions are historically dominated by essentialism.
both logic and mathematics are predicated on "entities".
abstract entities that have no corresponding expierience.
thus western definitions of "reason" and"logic"
are encompassed by a wider notion of essentialsim.
which is, as Bo correctly points out, the definition
of the intellectual level per western thought.
But,
The intellectual level as defined by western thought
does not encompass all intellectual patterns only
those patterns which recognize essentialism and
it's assumptions.
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