Hello Ham,

you had said:

Your sophistry is amazing!  It forced me to look up 'ta endoxa' which, 
according to the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy means "accepted things" or 
"accepted opinions".  I take this term to be the logical equivalent of "a 
given" (e.g., a proposition or premise that is universally accepted as 
stated).  If that's correct, I don't see why a ta endoxa statement is any more 
a "product of language or culture" than any other statement.

Ron:
And the meat and bones of my arguement, the question, IS logic and reason a 
given?
a product of language and culture? If so, it changes the nature of Parmenides
arguements. It was not my intention to purposly mislead you in an effort to win
an arguement, but perhaps a way of challenging our own perceptions of logic
and reason. 



> Plancks constant and the observable symetry of particals
> dissolves notions of observer relativity in quantum mechanics.
> Quantum physics is indeed still based in human sensibility,
> but that sensibility is cross-referenced with mathematical
> calculation. They each verify the other. I think you and
> Parmenides share much in common, although your ideas
> of a value-centic experience is much more viable than
> anything we have of record of Parmenides work, IMHO.
> 
> It was not my intent to conflagulate essentialism and Platonic
> idealism, but I do think I have a case in the origin of essentialistic
> concepts.

I'll accept the label along with your compliment, Ron, despite the renunciation 
of Parmenide's theory that change is illusory.  But can you accept my concept 
of Absolute Essence, even if we disagree on how difference is derived from it?

Ron:
On this notion I can stand with you, that value is derived from an absolutely 
indefinable source and how that value
is derived varies with the sensible agent, language and culture. I think you 
and I agree on the big things on this matter, its the
details, and that is to be expected.


Thanks, Ron.  Great to talk with you again.

Essentially yours,
Ham


Ron:
Great speaking with you too, allways a pleasure Ham. Yes my handel is X acto 
but I still go
by the Ron you come to know.


      
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