Platt, Ham, I rarely get into political debates, but, I feel I must air my reasons for my own selection at the poles. Typically I am a conservative, a liberal conservative. I was in McCains corner for most of the race but then things took a turn, The "terrorist" associated rhetoric was inflamatory, in effect it justified all the "joe plumbers" to hate as a patriotic duty. In other words the negative campaign techniques were not only a turn off but irresponsible. Secondly the pro-life situation with the supreme court seats. I am a firm believer that choice belongs to the individual not to be sanctioned by centalized gov. I'd rather have democratic socialism than totalitarianism any day of the week. Plus people complain about the distrubution of wealth, us middle class have been doing it for years, it's called fed. state, and local taxes. Over half my income goes to them annually. the country is broke and we are in a war we can not afford. Reminds me of one of those Wile e. Coyote bridges built on air extending waaaay beyond the cliff face.
Mr. Obama has alot to live up to, for sure, and change may not happen, but aleast we're not headed for the bottom of that wile E. Coyote cliff at such a sprawling pace and if the current administration has a bail out plan, you can betcha it says ACME on the side. but thats just my lil ole HO. thnx fellas -ron ] ________________________________ From: Ham Priday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 1:19:55 PM Subject: Re: [MD] Democracy Hello Platt -- > With the election of a far left radical, opponents of the government > may be banned from free expression as purveyors of "hate speech." > Such bans have already occurred on college campuses throughout > the country in the form of "Speech Codes." Conservative talk radio > is about to be silenced under the banner of a "Fairness Doctrine." > Inevitably such leftist attacks on free speech will spread to the > internet as we see happening now in Australia. > > I mention this to welcome your "butting in" to this and any other > discussion while you still have the chance. I know Horse who > manages this site will do his best to hold off the censors. But the > forces now being arrayed to control what can and cannot be said > are mighty. > > As for the vanishing of the S/O split in quantum theory, it reflects > the l experience of physicists who have probed the foundations of > reality. Thus, I characterize as "experiential knowledge" just as any > other knowledge I haven't necessarily experienced myself -- like > having a billion dollars. I am as disappointed by the election results as you are, Platt. But it was a long time coming, and the leftist/liberal media, an untimely credit crisis, and the first African-American presidential candidate Teflon-coated by a politically correct electorate made the outcome inevitable. The truth is that America has been drifting left of center at least ever since the Reagan administration. And because State Socialism is no longer viewed as the wayward daughter of Communism, the 'American Dream' has become a civil right rather than a goal to be achieved by individual initiative and hard work. Unfortunately philosophical ideals are too far removed from politics to exert much affect on the voting public, particularly when 97% of our minority population are convinced that electing a Black president is the best thing we've done for our country. I don't know what you mean by "while I still have the chance", but I'd be very surprised if the Fairness Doctrine could pass Congress and the Supreme Court, even with a Democrat majority. Certainly state censoring of the free press and Internet would rouse the public's fury, and we still have a representative government no matter how far left it leans. However, in support of your noble cause, this piece of ironic prose by an unknown author was forwarded to me recently. While it's too late to wield any influence on this liberal audience, it may raise a few eyebrows and provide a source of amusement. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - CHANGE... In the late 1950's most Cubans thought Cuba needed "a change" and they were right. So when a young, dynamic leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive. When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. He said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, and everyone followed. He said he would bring justice and equality to all, and everyone said "Praise the Lord!" The young leader said, "I will be for change and I'll bring you change," and everyone yelled, "Viva Fidel!" But by the time the executioner's guns went silent, the people's guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time "the change" was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. Luckily, we in America would never fall for a young leader who promised change without asking, "what change?" Would we? Cheers to all, Ham Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
