[Woods previously]
You got it Arlo. I don't feel safe with some yahoo-nation states in this world
being able to own air missile launchers and such.
[Arlo]
So your solution is to let every yahoo in the world have access to missile
launchers and tanks and such?? Okay, well, we're gonna have to agree to
disagree on this point. I am 100% behind allowing sportsmen to own guns to hunt
and families to own weapons to protect themselves, but I draw a line. You and
Platt seem to want no line, and I envision with dread the day my local Ford
dealer is an Abrams dealer and every yahoo (self included) can get drunk, mad
or whatever and loft a missile at someone's house. If you think that's a safer
world, well, let's just agree to disagree on that.
woods:
Arlo, your missing the point actually. I could come at this from
various angles.
One angle is the gov't is the people. We are
the gov't.
Second angle - blackwater.
Third angle - U.S. sells
missiles to civilians around the world all the time, remember
Taliban and Bin Laden against Soviet Union, Taiwan, recently
India received nuclear capable armaments from the U.S., Iran-contra,
etc...
And fourth angle - the angle I've been coming at this. When the gov't
gets to a certain weapons grade that it would fear its' own citizens to have,
then the gov't has gone too far. I'm not caught in these dualities that you
keep falling into. First it's the two-party system you argue within, and
now you are arguing within gov't/citizen dual paradigm. I'm talking about
people plain and simple. These murderous people, these yahoo's that
you speak of, are in gov't and could be your neighbors. But you have chosen
sides in both of these paradigms and thus get caught in the trap in which
dualities always narrows upon people's perspective. It's always one
or the other with you it seems. The same old divide and conquer. I know
you to be smarter than this, but try to look outside of this dualistic
paradigm. If
you can't trust your neighbors with a tank, then look for the nearest army base
with a tank. They're your neighbors you know. But I'm not trapped in that
perspective. I'm talking about people and morals.
[Woods previously]
Anyways, mel hit the point home as to how easy it is to make a bomb and stuff.
[Arlo]
Sure, that terrorist McVeigh showed that its possible, but its still not
"easy". Would it be better if we sold 3mt bombs in BoxMart? How much
destruction do you think McVeigh could have done if he could've stopped off at
BoxMart, picked up a few sidewinder missiles and drove off with them in an
Abrams tank?
woods:
Arlo, the U.S. gov't gets the money in the trillions to do such a thing. It's
easy. Blackwaters
on track to do this as we speak. They've got 90% of U.S. Department of Defense
funding
to do just the thing. If you have the money, then you can get it. Anyways I
don't know where your
going with this argument of yours. It seems to be within the dualistic
paradigm that quality rids.
The old conquer and divide, us versus them, civilians versus gov't, but I see
this as
a "We the people..." but maybe you don't.
[Woods previously]
Smooth, calm talkin' Obama dupt ya/ suckered ya.
[Arlo]
No one suckered me, and that includes Ron Paul (btw). The changes you talk
about will only occur as the result of an openly violent revolution, and I
think we are quite a ways from that
woods:
Given up on the system I see.
Arlo:
Remember that the majority of gun owners BACKED the Patriot Act, so their help
would've been not coming, and indeed they would've sided with the Bush
Administration. You can get yourself all in a tizzy about revolution and
dismantling the current system from the ground up, but you're only painting
yourself into the lunatic fringe corner. I say that with true compassion,
because change IS needed, but it will not come until the war of ideas is won,
and people are ready to step away from their status quo consumerist lives and
get involved. Using Marx's words, our population is nearly fully opiated. Until
more wake up, there is little any one person can do but work within the system
for the better of potential outcomes along the way. If you think McCain
would've been the better choice, then you were justified in voting for him. I
disagree. But the choice HAD to be one of them, there was no other viable
choice, and there won't be for quite sometime. It sucks,
but don't go mental about it.
woods:
As long as people keep thinking the way you, dmb, and it looks like Ron too,
for all three of you (not sure if dmb would
have voted third party or wants to or not) voted within the dualistic paradigm
and don't go with your
heart and ideas then you lost the "war of ideas" in your own head before you
ever even reached the
tar mat. Archery. Focus and see the arrow hit the bulls-eye. Baseball. Keep
your eye on the ball and swing.
Your right. Who am I kidding with a crowd that only talks and has these ideas
but never uses them... your
right. I am fringe.
Arlo:
Eventually aliens will enslave us (or eat us) anyways, so take each day as it
comes, when we are working the borax mines on a deep space asteroid or being
served with tarragon for giant space squid's noon-day snacks we will long for
the day a one-world government was the greatest of our worries.
woods:
Boo...
[Woods previously]
Do you mean the civilians or military of Canada for Canada's recent policies
have been moving quickly to join the global community?
[Arlo]
America alone against the world, eh?
woods:
Again, the lose of the "war of ideas". Your stuck in this dualistic paradigm
and cause
you don't use any other paradigm you fall back into this dualism again and
again. I asked
if you meant the civilians or the military of Canada would help us or both. I
didn't know who
you were referring to. The "war of ideas" is lost everyday when nobody takes
the leap
into quality and keeps acting out in SOM Arlo. Thought you knew this. This is
intellectual
you know. This is about not being stuck in dualistic paradigms Arlo. If your
not willing to
live this non-dualistic narrow minded paradigm, then what are you doing here?
Really? Is
this all fantasy, virtual reality world for you or something? If so, then let
me know now, then
at least I'll know who I honestly am talking to.
woods
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