[Arlo previously]
What about surface to air missile launchers, flame throwers and bazookas.
Wouldn't they be a whole lot more useful in a revolution than a few pop-guns
and muzzle loaders? Grenades? Anti-tank weapons? (We'd need them, for sure,
wouldn't we?)
[Woods previously]
Yes, we would Arlo. If a nation-state can be trusted to have them, why not
civilians? This is about people and morality.
[Arlo]
I think that's the first time I've heard someone come out in favor or allowing
civilians to own high-grade military weapons. I'm not sure how safe I'd feel
with some of the yahoos in my town being able to walk into BoxMart and buy a
bazooka or surface to air missile launchers, and I can imagine the celebre at
Pyromaniacs-R-Us when flame throwers become as easy to be as hunting rifles and
handguns. (Do we stop there? What about allowing civilians access to larger
missiles, say the kind that could wipe out a small town? We trust the military
with them, why not civilians?) The military has a screening processes (ideally)
about who gets in and who has access to what weaponry. Then, the weaponry is
tightly regulated, locked, and soldiers go through much training in their use.
woods:
You got it Arlo. I don't feel safe with some yahoo-nation states in this
world being
able to own air missile launchers and such. As to the training, I had to get
certified and tested to get a hunting liscence when I was younger in
the local community, so, that's easy to do. Training can come in many
forms. If we know people, call them civilians or gov't officals can become mad
murderous people, then wouldn't have been the people's responsibily all along
to make sure such massive armanents didn't occur in gov't for it is a
trade-off. The
gov't can go only as far as the gov't feels safe having the civilians go as
equally far.
Isn't it about the weapons in a madpersons hands, civilian or gov't? Anyways,
mel
hit the point home as to how easy it is to make a bomb and stuff.
It is about morality.
[Woods previously]
Bush and Obama support the Patriot Act and Unwarranted Wire Tapping. Obama
voted for it, Bush signed them into law.
[Arlo]
And yet the Freedom Fighters only seem to be concerned about those darned libs.
Did you know Platt argued in favor, in support and in defense of the Patriot
Act? Its in the archives. And yet when you mention Britain, and his little
"leftist kneejerk" can kick in, its an issue. This is the kind of gross
hypocrisy I'm talking about.
As for the election, well like I have said, it was either gonna be Obama or
McCain, and the choice boiled down to which would be better. Not "best", sadly,
as this country is just not at the point where a third party candidate is
viable. I am not happy with Obama's support of the Patriot Act, but I was also
outspoken of it when Bush signed it into law. And I will continue to be.
woods:
Smooth, calm talkin' Obama dupt ya/ suckered ya. It's the
two masks one face. Smooth talkin', aggressive talkin' all with
the same agenda. When just talks nicer and people are suckered
it would seem.
[Woods previously]
I'm thinking the military is on the civilian side. They have families and are
too smart to go after civilians...
[Arlo]
If the military stands with the civilians against a corrupt regime, we have
nothing to worry about. Our military is pretty strong.
woods:
That's what I'm praying for. As long as we stick
to the principles layed out in the Declaration and Constitution
we all have something to point out and see who's on who's
side. Then we can debate about those documents from there, but
it's obvious when their broken at times, poor John Adams should've
listened to Jefferson about that Alien and Sedition Act. Thank
goodness revolt isn't the knee-jerk or else they would
have had another revolution right there and then.
[Woods previously]
...but I find this persistence of the Bush to keep the main military force in
Iraq, against the needs of the Iraqis a bit suspicious. For the military would
fight for the people if anything happened to us at this point, but they are not
here for the most part.
[Arlo]
I have full confidence that our brothers and sisters to the north would come to
our aid... umm.... well....
woods:
Do you mean the civilians or military of Canada for Canada's
recent policies have been moving quickly to join the
global community? They've been in the process of signing
a deal in which they can join the EU.
Arlo:
check this out... http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end
woods:
Awesome! That was so hilarious!
woods
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