Ron says: Andre mentioned the obsticle of language, I think this may be overcome through a mindfulness of not allowing logical statements to dominate our thinking, remember MoQ is inductive and holds descriptive sentences as prime not deductive ones.
Andre: This is interesting Ron, I always thought that ZMM, i.e Phaedrus' quest for Quality was an inductive book and Lila, an attempt to develop this Quality into a full Metaphysics of Quality was a deductive book. I believe Pirsig described them as such. I therefore still heed Bodvar's (as Jesuit) warning. Secondly, I will respond to language being an obstacle. 1) I think this has been recognised as such for a long time. How can you describe a tree, a table, a dog, a sunset,a walk through the bamboo forest adequately with words? You cannot do it. 2) I brought this up in the context of NLP. What Bandler and Grinder found out by talking to people was that they literally did what they said! They believed and 'lived' their own words and as such limited themselves, sometimes to the point of an inability to function (socially/ emotionally), or to a point where they found they could not 'develop'/ 'grow' further as a human being. This led B&G to use the concept of 'the map is not the territory' to point to this difference: the map=words we use to describe our world, the territory= all the different ways of being in and experiencing this world. The territory remains a purely S/O world. I am reluctant to call it a metaphysics (in the NLP context). I may have to re-read some books but think B&G never used the term. For what it is worth. Andre Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
