Hi Platt
17 Nov. you wrote:
> Love the image of Pirsig grabbing the "mind/matter monster by its
> throat" and then later losing his grip. Only one saving grace: he
> recognized the risk of challenging the monster. Debating with himself
> about writing a metaphysics he wrote;
If just one thing in my life is for real it's the relief I felt when reading
ZAMM the first time. I had believed that the mind/matter chasm was
part of existence's blue-print so Pirsig's assertion that it had arrived at
a point in history and developed into a metaphysics (i.e. my very belief
that it was existence's innermost structure) made me almost
hysterically happy.
> "A part of it said, "Don't do it. You'll get into nothing but trouble.
> You're just going to start up a thousand dumb arguments about
> something that was perfectly clear until you came along. You're going
> to make ten thousand opponents and zero friends because the moment you
> open your mouth to say one thing about the nature of reality you
> automatically have a whole set of enemies who've already said reality
> is something else." (Lila, 5)
Yes, Pirsig chose an "academical" approach, he obviously felt the
need to present the MOQ as a metaphysics in the Aristotelian sense
even if his first definition ("no one living in an ordered universe can
avoid metaphysics) was exactly like my said perception of SOM. This
also means that the old myths may be regarded as "metaphysics".
My safe bet is that those who oppose the SOL interpretation is so
firmly lodged in SOM that they don't even feel oppressed by it, not to
speak of wanting a way out. To them the MOQ will remain a menu or
map till kingdom comes. Their schism is between a mind-like Q-
intellect" (where the static levels exist as (Marsha) " ... conventional,
conceptual constructs) and an alleged DQ "out there". A replica of
SOM. The fact that DQ is part and parcel of the MOQ is water on
geese's back.
> At least Pirsig found some friends here in moq_discuss, and to give
> him his due, his MOQ brought the monster out of the darkness into the
> light. Now it's up to us to tame it if we can.
About friends agreement. Our argumentation is hopefully not the "ten
thousand opponents" that Pirsig envisaged above. The fact that the
MOQ has been met with zero opposition is rather that it is perceived
as another "philosophy" - with the S/O as premises - of which
academia is filled to the Plimsoll Mark with.
IMO
Bo
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