At 01:49 PM 11/27/2008, KO wrote:
Marsha, you know i was referring to Pao-t'ung's message;
all those other shores, true sources, original face, unborn,
free spirits, etc etc - it is too vague.
KO,
I presented this quote because it refers to the raft parable, that
is, needing assistance until one realizes fully.
And the last two sentences - why does he have to be so
obscure?
Some of the MOQ seems obscure. Is it?
I suppose if all that stuff doesnt make sense to me that
must mean that i am not spiritual enough, or not
compassionate enough, or not sensitive enough.
Not so. It may mean that you are not familiar with the raft parable
and its association.
I like the Tao Te Ching alright but that passage only
depresses me.
I would imagine that raft comes in many shapes and colors. The MOQ
would be one of them.
I cant give you an interpretation because
the passage is just too inpenetrable for me.
Okay. I thought there was some in particular you wanted to challenge.
(continued below)
2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> KO,
>
> I'd be curious to what message you are questioning, and your interpretation
> of it?
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
> At 05:23 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
>
>> Marhsa, are you open to the idea that the message may
>>be misleading, impractical and impossible;
I am open to the fact that the message may be beyond my
understanding. I worry about this. I sometimes wish I had a
teacher, but I've heard RamDas say a teacher will play to the
expectations of the student. - No, I do not think it is
impractical. Impossible? Sometimes.
>> it is scary to cast off ideas that we have clung
>> to for years.
Sometimes it's hard, sometimes it easy. Sometimes it is hard because
it's so easy.
Marsha
>>
>>
>>
>> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > I do not doubt it.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 03:01 AM 11/27/2008, you wrote:
>> >
>> >> ... and you really credit this Marsha?
>> >>
>> >> -KO
>> >>
>> >> 2008/11/27 MarshaV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Pao-t'ung says "The sutras say to cross a river we need a raft, but
>> >> once
>> >> > we reach the other shore, we no longer need it. If a person resolves
>> to
>> >> > find their trur source and plumbs the depths of reason and nature,
>> they
>> >> will
>> >> > see their original face and instantly awaken to what is unborn. This
>> is
>> >> to
>> >> > reach the other shore. And once they are there, they are there
>> forever.
>> >> > They don't need to return again. They will be free spirits
>> unconcerned
>> >> > with material things,m and they; will be happy and at peace.
>> Chia-shan
>> >> > said. 'The Tao is everywhere.' He also said, 'When you see form, you
>> >> see
>> >> > the mind.' But people only see form. They don't see the mind. If
>> you
>> >> can
>> >> > look into the depths and think about what you are doing one action at
>> a
>> >> > time, you will suddenly see. This is called seeing your nature. You
>> >> can't
>> >> > know this nature through knowledge. You can't perceive it through
>> >> > perception. This nature has no form or appearance. When you don't
>> see
>> >> it,
>> >> > you see it. When you see it, you don't see it.""
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > .
>> >> > .
>> >> > The Universe is uncaused, like a net of jewels in which each is a
>> >> > reflection of all the others in a fantastic, interrelated harmony
>> >> without
>> >> > end.
>> >> > .
>> >> > .
.
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Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars.........
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